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Re: Index to Irish Wills 1484-1858: Where to find the wills?
« Reply #72 on: Wednesday 10 May 23 13:47 BST (UK) »
What do you reckon about the consanguinity column?

Was the TNA guide any help, Gilby?
Stranger or not?

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Re: Index to Irish Wills 1484-1858: Where to find the wills?
« Reply #73 on: Thursday 11 May 23 21:49 BST (UK) »
Yes, definitely, that is a very useful webpage!  Thanks!  I agree that it is “Stranger”, e.g. compare the "Stra" to the "Ste" in Stevenson in the executors box at the top - very similar. 

The National Archives guide also identifies one of the abbreviations in the "What deemed" column, abswp = absolute legacy with a proviso (conditional grant).

My reading of the death duties record for Thomas Wilson is now as follows…

Thomas Wilson of Coggery [Cogry], Co Antrim.
Died Dec. 1831.
Will dated 27th May 1831.
Proved 17th Sep 1832, Down.
Sworn under £276.

Executors:
Robert Wilson of Coggery.
James Stevenson of Four Mill [Mile] Burn.

Legacies:
1.   £200 (absolute) charged on testator’s lands in Drains (bequeathed to Robert Wilson) as well as on the personal property.  To Robert Wilson, a natural child. 
2.   £10 (annuity) charged on testator’s lands in Drains (bequeathed to Robert Wilson) as well as on the personal property.  To Anne Kirkwood, a natural child.  For life, provided she does not return to Ireland during the life of her husband.
3.   £50 each (absolute, with proviso) charged on testator’s lands in Drains (bequeathed to Robert Wilson) as well as on the personal property.  To John Kirkwood, Anne Kirkwood, and Thomas Kirkwood, “stranger’s in blood” [probably children of testator’s illegitimate daughter].  Death duties only liable should two of the three die.  Should all three die under the age of 21, then the legacy is to go to Thomas Wilson (relationship not stated).
4.   Residue in legacies not liable to duty.

Inventory:
House goods = £12-10-0
Securities = £133-16-6
Stock = £88-0-0
Other property = £39-0-0
Total = £273-6-6


Am I reading it correctly that the legacies were charged on land which had been bequeathed to Robert Wilson?  Does it make sense that Robert Wilson’s legacy of £200 would be charged on land already owned by him?  If not, does this show that there were two Robert Wilsons who were beneficiaries of Thomas Wilson’s will?

The stipulation that Anne Kirkwood is not to return to Ireland during her husband’s lifetime is an unusual one.  Often a legacy for a child abroad is only offered on the condition that they do return.  I wonder what the story was in this case.

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Re: Index to Irish Wills 1484-1858: Where to find the wills?
« Reply #74 on: Friday 12 May 23 09:14 BST (UK) »
Hi Gilby
I think you have read it perfectly.
It is an excellent guide from TNA, glad it was useful. The story of Anne Kirkwood sounds as if it will be a good one, but I haven't been able to get a line on it.

Gosh, I am well out of my depth with your specific question about the land. Can someone help?
Jon

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Re: Index to Irish Wills 1484-1858: Where to find the wills?
« Reply #75 on: Saturday 13 May 23 17:39 BST (UK) »
Well, it turns out I actually have a copy of Thomas Wilson's will from PRONI (D300/1/5/98).

I can confirm there were two Robert Wilsons (several in fact).  Thomas gave his land in Drains to his brother Robert Wilson subject to certain legacies including the sum of £200 to his son Robert Wilson.

Anne Kirkwood's story is less interesting than I was expecting.  Thomas's wish was that she and her husband should reside in America "or some other foreign country" and if they were to return then the annuity was to stop.  However, if Anne was widowed then she could return to Ireland.

I think that was still a useful exercise even if it turns out there's more information elsewhere!



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Re: Index to Irish Wills 1484-1858: Where to find the wills?
« Reply #76 on: Yesterday at 19:59 »
From the Index of Irish Wills 1484-1858 on Findmypast...

First name(s)    James
Last name    Hamilton
Archive reference    T/9915
Year    1707
Address    Ballynagarvie
County    Antrim


As I understand it, the T references are Testamentary records deposited at the PRO after the Four Courts fire.  Many of those were microfilmed and can be found on familysearch.org.

However, many wills like the above are absent from familysearch, and I can't find them in the National Archives online catalogue.  Does anyone know what's going on, and how/where can I find wills which fall into this category?