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Re: John Rutherford and Rachel Johnston of Kelso
« Reply #18 on: Thursday 20 June 19 22:44 BST (UK) »
I took the photo on my way to buy a loaf this morning!

Lesley

What a lovely kind gesture  ;)

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Re: John Rutherford and Rachel Johnston of Kelso
« Reply #19 on: Thursday 20 June 19 23:53 BST (UK) »
Possible deaths of 'missing' children (going by gaps)?...

RUTHERFORD ----- 0 (no name)
RUTHERFORD (father/parents not named)
M
03/02/1802
793/90 40 Kelso

RUTHERFORD ALEXR 8
JNO RUTHERFORD
02/01/1803
793/90 44 Kelso

RUTHERFORD AGNES 0
JNO RUTHERFORD
23/04/1804
793/90 52 Kelso
I notice a later Agnes but this is same yr as Richard, was he a twin or could this chid have been born 1803?

RUTHERFORD ----- 0
JNO RUTHERFORD
U (sex unknown) ???
28/06/1806
793/90 62 Kelso

I've noticed this a lot with OPR deaths, not sure if the missing info. is illegible or if the entries just say something like 'the death of a child' or similar, perhaps someone can tell us?
Possibly the only help would be the occupation of Jno/John but all the above are speculation.

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Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

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Canada:- Callaghan, MacKinnon, MacPhee

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Re: John Rutherford and Rachel Johnston of Kelso
« Reply #20 on: Friday 21 June 19 00:15 BST (UK) »
No, it's not from a website- I took the photo on my way to buy a loaf this morning!

Lesley

Wow, that is so kind of you - thank you so much. I really appreciate you doing that. I am hugely touched by this.

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Re: John Rutherford and Rachel Johnston of Kelso
« Reply #21 on: Friday 21 June 19 00:23 BST (UK) »
Possible deaths of 'missing' children (going by gaps)?...

RUTHERFORD ----- 0 (no name)
RUTHERFORD (father/parents not named)
M
03/02/1802
793/90 40 Kelso

RUTHERFORD ALEXR 8
JNO RUTHERFORD
02/01/1803
793/90 44 Kelso

RUTHERFORD AGNES 0
JNO RUTHERFORD
23/04/1804
793/90 52 Kelso
I notice a later Agnes but this is same yr as Richard, was he a twin or could this chid have been born 1803?

RUTHERFORD ----- 0
JNO RUTHERFORD
U (sex unknown) ???
28/06/1806
793/90 62 Kelso

I've noticed this a lot with OPR deaths, not sure if the missing info. is illegible or if the entries just say something like 'the death of a child' or similar, perhaps someone can tell us?
Possibly the only help would be the occupation of Jno/John but all the above are speculation.

Annie

Thank you for those, I suppose it could be a twin of Richard or year before, I haven't found another Agnes baptism, but then there does appear to be gaps missing. It's quite likely that if Agnes died they named another later daughter in her memory.

I know I have a really hard time reading some OPR's - some could have damage as well I suppose so only part recognizable. 
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Michelin - London
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Paterson - Canongate, Midlothian
Rutherford and Johnston - Roxburghshire
Taylor - East Lothian & Berwickshire
Thomson - Leith & Muthill
Thorney, Hawkin, Lewis - Herefordshire
Small & Paulin - Northumberland
Varrall - Kent

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Re: John Rutherford and Rachel Johnston of Kelso
« Reply #22 on: Friday 21 June 19 00:24 BST (UK) »
I would just like to comment on how amazing you both have been in trying to help me. Thank you. :)
 
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Michelin - London
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Rutherford and Johnston - Roxburghshire
Taylor - East Lothian & Berwickshire
Thomson - Leith & Muthill
Thorney, Hawkin, Lewis - Herefordshire
Small & Paulin - Northumberland
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Re: John Rutherford and Rachel Johnston of Kelso
« Reply #23 on: Friday 21 June 19 09:29 BST (UK) »
RUTHERFORD ----- 0
JNO RUTHERFORD
U (sex unknown) ???
28/06/1806
793/90 62 Kelso
I've noticed this a lot with OPR deaths, not sure if the missing info. is illegible or if the entries just say something like 'the death of a child' or similar, perhaps someone can tell us?
It's quite common for the OPR burial records, and the Mortcloth records, to say something like 'John Smith's child was buried' with no indication of the name, age or sex of the child.

What I have not managed to deduce is how old a child has to be before its personal information does get included. No doubt it varied from parish to parish.
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Re: John Rutherford and Rachel Johnston of Kelso
« Reply #24 on: Friday 21 June 19 12:28 BST (UK) »
"It's quite common for the OPR burial records, and the Mortcloth records, to say something like 'John Smith's child was buried' with no indication of the name, age or sex of the child."

Thanks Forfarian...

I had a look on SP & came to the conclusion there were far too many for them all to have been illegible but it's good to have info. from someone who's seen a doc. as I haven't (not had a need) yet.

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Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

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Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

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Re: John Rutherford and Rachel Johnston of Kelso
« Reply #25 on: Friday 21 June 19 12:34 BST (UK) »
Reply #15

The MI has 'one of his children who died in infancy'...I wonder if there's another plot with others?

Annie
South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie, MacDonald, MacInnes, MacIntyre, MacKinnon, Steele, Walker

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, MacKinnon, MacPhee

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Re: John Rutherford and Rachel Johnston of Kelso
« Reply #26 on: Friday 21 June 19 13:42 BST (UK) »
I can't find that 1823 OPR death/burial for John Rutherford on Scotlands people. Oddly I can't find an OPR birth/baptism either in c1826 for Helen Rutherford daughter of William Rutherford and Janet (Jessie) Douglas. Which makes me wonder if there is a large second in the 1820 period missing or damaged for the Kelso area or are they not complete on Scotlands People?
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