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Re: John Rutherford and Rachel Johnston of Kelso
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 19 June 19 15:28 BST (UK) »
No, that is the whole inscription- no other names at all.

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Re: John Rutherford and Rachel Johnston of Kelso
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 19 June 19 17:01 BST (UK) »
No, that is the whole inscription- no other names at all.

Lesley

thanks, I oddly can find the 1850 death.
Anderson & Marr - Midlothian & East Lothian
Bennett - Devonport
Catleugh & Shiells - East Lothian
Galvin, McLaren, Cullen & Dowling - Waterford, Ireland
Littlejohns - Plymouth & London
Mansfield - Benfleet & St Pancras
Michelin - London
Newlands - Midlothian & Fife
Paterson - Canongate, Midlothian
Rutherford and Johnston - Roxburghshire
Taylor - East Lothian & Berwickshire
Thomson - Leith & Muthill
Thorney, Hawkin, Lewis - Herefordshire
Small & Paulin - Northumberland
Varrall - Kent

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Re: John Rutherford and Rachel Johnston of Kelso
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 20 June 19 00:51 BST (UK) »
"Going by Scottish naming patterns there are only two couples I can see that could be his parents. John Rutherford and Margaret Dryden and then John Rutherford and Margaret Cox. My line did seem to use the naming pattern"

I find it rather strange there's not an elder daughter named Margaret & if she died in infancy a future dau named Margaret as this was typical...naming a later child the same & almost certainly if it was a parents name?

From your list there's room for more but can you tell us the names of Sponsors to the children you have as this may give a clue to other relations?
This does not mean there were others but possibly!...

Room for 1 here
John Rutherford - 1794 -?
Room for 1 here
William Rutherford (my 4xGreat Grandfather) - 1797–1858
James Rutherford - 1798–1866
Room for a couple here
Rachel Rutherford - 1803–?
Richard Rutherford - 1804–1881
Room for a few here
Agnes Rutherford - 1811–?


Annie
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Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

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Re: John Rutherford and Rachel Johnston of Kelso
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 20 June 19 01:36 BST (UK) »
There are 3 marriages of 'a' Margaret Rutherford in Kelso 1813 - 1838 which could fit a possible dau of John & Rachel...

It would be worth tracing them through census' to see what they name their children then into statutory deaths.

Freecen.org.uk

Annie
South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie, MacDonald, MacInnes, MacIntyre, MacKinnon, Steele, Walker

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, MacKinnon, MacPhee

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Re: John Rutherford and Rachel Johnston of Kelso
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 20 June 19 02:07 BST (UK) »
"Going by Scottish naming patterns there are only two couples I can see that could be his parents. John Rutherford and Margaret Dryden and then John Rutherford and Margaret Cox. My line did seem to use the naming pattern"

I find it rather strange there's not an elder daughter named Margaret & if she died in infancy a future dau named Margaret as this was typical...naming a later child the same & almost certainly if it was a parents name?

From your list there's room for more but can you tell us the names of Sponsors to the children you have as this may give a clue to other relations?
This does not mean there were others but possibly!...

Room for 1 here
John Rutherford - 1794 -?
Room for 1 here
William Rutherford (my 4xGreat Grandfather) - 1797–1858
James Rutherford - 1798–1866
Room for a couple here
Rachel Rutherford - 1803–?
Richard Rutherford - 1804–1881
Room for a few here
Agnes Rutherford - 1811–?


Annie

Yes this is going by the assumption that there are more children in between. The records for Kelso seem to be sparse from what I can see, or possibly badly transcribed. Of course I am just looking at possible couples that could be his parents too. It’s not definite his parents are John or Margaret. But going by the possible oldest son John, they were the only couples in the Kelso area I could find with a John.

I don’t have all the images for the baptisms of the children I do know yet, just a couple. I’m visiting Scotland next month from Canada so hope to go to the Scotland’s People office in Edinburgh.
Anderson & Marr - Midlothian & East Lothian
Bennett - Devonport
Catleugh & Shiells - East Lothian
Galvin, McLaren, Cullen & Dowling - Waterford, Ireland
Littlejohns - Plymouth & London
Mansfield - Benfleet & St Pancras
Michelin - London
Newlands - Midlothian & Fife
Paterson - Canongate, Midlothian
Rutherford and Johnston - Roxburghshire
Taylor - East Lothian & Berwickshire
Thomson - Leith & Muthill
Thorney, Hawkin, Lewis - Herefordshire
Small & Paulin - Northumberland
Varrall - Kent

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Re: John Rutherford and Rachel Johnston of Kelso
« Reply #14 on: Thursday 20 June 19 02:08 BST (UK) »
There are 3 marriages of 'a' Margaret Rutherford in Kelso 1813 - 1838 which could fit a possible dau of John & Rachel...

It would be worth tracing them through census' to see what they name their children then into statutory deaths.

Freecen.org.uk

Annie

Thanks I’ll definitely look into those. 3 of the children (so far) of my John ended up in England.
Anderson & Marr - Midlothian & East Lothian
Bennett - Devonport
Catleugh & Shiells - East Lothian
Galvin, McLaren, Cullen & Dowling - Waterford, Ireland
Littlejohns - Plymouth & London
Mansfield - Benfleet & St Pancras
Michelin - London
Newlands - Midlothian & Fife
Paterson - Canongate, Midlothian
Rutherford and Johnston - Roxburghshire
Taylor - East Lothian & Berwickshire
Thomson - Leith & Muthill
Thorney, Hawkin, Lewis - Herefordshire
Small & Paulin - Northumberland
Varrall - Kent

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Re: John Rutherford and Rachel Johnston of Kelso
« Reply #15 on: Thursday 20 June 19 14:31 BST (UK) »
I think the first digit of the age on the stone could easily be a '5', giving a birth year of c1768.
Lesley
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Re: John Rutherford and Rachel Johnston of Kelso
« Reply #16 on: Thursday 20 June 19 20:05 BST (UK) »
I think the first digit of the age on the stone could easily be a '5', giving a birth year of c1768.
Lesley

Oooh thanks for this. I agree it does look like there could be a discrepancy in that first digit. I couldn’t find this in the OPR on Scotland’s people

Can I ask where the image was from? Is this from a website? It would be most useful to know which website if so.

I really appreciated everyone’s help.

I looked at Margaret Rutherford’s but nothing I could really tie in to mine as chicken of John and Rachel.
Anderson & Marr - Midlothian & East Lothian
Bennett - Devonport
Catleugh & Shiells - East Lothian
Galvin, McLaren, Cullen & Dowling - Waterford, Ireland
Littlejohns - Plymouth & London
Mansfield - Benfleet & St Pancras
Michelin - London
Newlands - Midlothian & Fife
Paterson - Canongate, Midlothian
Rutherford and Johnston - Roxburghshire
Taylor - East Lothian & Berwickshire
Thomson - Leith & Muthill
Thorney, Hawkin, Lewis - Herefordshire
Small & Paulin - Northumberland
Varrall - Kent

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Re: John Rutherford and Rachel Johnston of Kelso
« Reply #17 on: Thursday 20 June 19 21:48 BST (UK) »
No, it's not from a website- I took the photo on my way to buy a loaf this morning!

Lesley
Bradley, Gledhill, Dodson, Norcliffe, Kaye, Matthewman- all Berry Brow/Almondbury
Webster- Northowram
Brick wall: Maria Blaymires  c 1800 Northowram