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John Hoskins (1814 - 3 Sept 1883) - Riddle?
« on: Thursday 20 June 19 23:40 BST (UK) »
On the 1851 Census, John Hoskins, age 37, is living at Park Street, Stourbridge and is an Agricultural Labourer from Lulsley, Worcestershire. Living with his wife Louisa, age 31, (possibly nee Poyner?) and their children, Ellen age 6, Ann age 4 and Mary age 2.

On the 1861 Census, John Hoskins, age 47, is a widower and a Labourer, living at Stourbridge Union Workhouse. It mentions that he's from Leominster, Herefordshire.

On the 1871 Census, John Hoskins, age 51, widowed and living at Lye Farm with his children Ellen Hill 17, Louisa 17, Sarah 15 and John 13. His occupation is Labourer and is from Leinster, Ireland!

But how can this be when, according to GRO, his wife Louisa died in 1871 aged 54? All of his children has Louisa's maiden name Poyner.  All the children I have, from GRO, are: -

Archibald 1843 - mother's maiden name was spelt Pinar in error?
Ellen 1844
Ann 1846
Mary 1849
Emma 1851
Louisa 1853
Sarah 1855
Elizabeth 1858 - 1858
John jnr 1859 - 1936

Where did John snr come from? On the 1871 Census, Ireland was written in darker ink in a separate column after Leinster as to emphase that is where he originally came from?  Perhaps his irish accent made it difficult for people writing down previous censuses, that Lulsley, Leominster and Leinster all sound similar?

Any thoughts will be much appreciated...

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Re: John Hoskins (1814 - 3 Sept 1883) - Riddle?
« Reply #1 on: Friday 21 June 19 00:55 BST (UK) »
I think you have a different John Hoskins in 1861 - how can he be a widower if you say his wife only died in 1871?

Where are the wife children in 1861?
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Re: John Hoskins (1814 - 3 Sept 1883) - Riddle?
« Reply #2 on: Friday 21 June 19 13:51 BST (UK) »
Emma age 10, Louisa age 7 and Sarah age 6 are also at the same Stourbridge Union Workhouse as their widowed father John Hoskins age 47 on the 1861 Census but on different pages.

Found a Louisa Poyner baptised on 29 April 1821 at Alveley, Shropshire. Parents were Thomas Poyner and Maria.

I'm unable to find Mother, Louisa and Mary (1849 - ?) who would have still be at home on the 1861 census.

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Re: John Hoskins (1814 - 3 Sept 1883) - Riddle?
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 22 June 19 12:01 BST (UK) »
Hi There

regarding the 1861 census you found - where are Ellen, Ann, Mary & John jnr I wonder as I can understand that Ellen & Ann could well be in service but Id have thought Mary & John jnr would have been mentioned on that 1861 census so cant help wondering if there are 2 John Hoskins with very similar families & if John's wife didn't die till 1871 why is the one you found recorded as a widower - it is a riddle

All the very best

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Re: John Hoskins (1814 - 3 Sept 1883) - Riddle?
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 22 June 19 12:50 BST (UK) »
Hi
There is a marriage 3 Sep 1843
John Hoskins and Louisa Poyner
Oldswinford St Mary

That should at least give you their fathers.
I can't see any details on line so it's Dudley archives or buying the Marriage cert.
He was buried at Lye and Wollescote Cemetery 1.5.1883  age 67 years with a Israel Perry in the same grave 28.8.1889 age 11 mths.

But none of that helps.

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Re: John Hoskins (1814 - 3 Sept 1883) - Riddle?
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 22 June 19 13:01 BST (UK) »
There is this one;

Name:   John Hoskins
Gender:   Male
Baptism Date:   29 Oct 1815
Baptism Place:   Leominster,Hereford,England
Father:   John Hoskins
Mother:   Anne


Have you had a lookup of the Marriage?
Marriage;
John Hoskins to Louisa Poyner
3 September 1843 Old Swinford, Worcester, England
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Cummins, Miskelly(IRELAND + NZ) ,Leggett (SFK + NFK ENGLAND + NZ),Purdy ( NBL ENGLAND + NZ ), Shaw YKS, LANCs + NZ), Holdsworth(LINCS +LANCS + NZ), Moloney, Dean, Fitzpatrick, ( County Down,IRE) Newby(NBL.ENG, Costello(IRE), Ivers, Murray(IRE),Reay(NBL.ENG) Reid (BERW.SCOTLAND)

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Re: John Hoskins (1814 - 3 Sept 1883) - Riddle?
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 22 June 19 23:33 BST (UK) »
Hi
There is a marriage 3 Sep 1843
John Hoskins and Louisa Poyner
Oldswinford St Mary

That should at least give you their fathers.
I can't see any details on line so it's Dudley archives or buying the Marriage cert.
He was buried at Lye and Wollescote Cemetery 1.5.1883  age 67 years with a Israel Perry in the same grave 28.8.1889 age 11 mths.

But none of that helps.

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The marriage was via Family Search on the old IGI records.

That's interesting as John's daughter Emma (1851-1930) married John Thomas Perry on 26 Sept 1869 at St. Thomas, Dudley and Israel was one of their sons?  I have found Charles 1874 J quarter Vol 06C Pg 217, Lily 1877 from census, Albert 1879 S quarter 06C pg 179, Beatrice 1884 M quarter 06C pg 175, May 1886 M quarter 06C pg 201, Arthur 1882 D quarter 06C pg 171 and Israel 1888 D quarter 06C pg 157.


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Re: John Hoskins (1814 - 3 Sept 1883) - Riddle?
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 22 June 19 23:43 BST (UK) »
Hi There

regarding the 1861 census you found - where are Ellen, Ann, Mary & John jnr I wonder as I can understand that Ellen & Ann could well be in service but Id have thought Mary & John jnr would have been mentioned on that 1861 census so cant help wondering if there are 2 John Hoskins with very similar families & if John's wife didn't die till 1871 why is the one you found recorded as a widower - it is a riddle

All the very best

Phil

I can't find them in 1861 but Ellen Hill (widowed) and her daughter Fanny Hill were living with Ellen's Dad, John and her two sisters Louisa and Sarah at Lye Farm, Lye on the 1871 Census.