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Offline cristeen

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Family crest?
« on: Saturday 22 June 19 16:46 BST (UK) »
I know this isn't a coat of arms but the image appears on old family letters and we have the brass stamp & case which produced it. I was hoping someone could tell me a little more about it.
I have also attached some images of a livery button sold on Ebay several years ago which looks remarkably similar; at least to my untrained eye :)
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Re: Family crest?
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 22 June 19 22:56 BST (UK) »
Have you any family connections with Hungary?
There was a youth movement there at one time named Fidelitas.
Don’t know any more about it.
However the animal is a dog and they are often seen as faithful companions .so it may just be a letter heading the family adopted.
.I agree the heading and button are almost exactly alike.
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Modified:- The movement was a young Conservative movement .
The word Fidelitas  is also the motto of  Karlsruhe in Germany.
Hope this is of some help.V.

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Re: Family crest?
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 22 June 19 23:03 BST (UK) »
I have also attached some images of a livery button sold on Ebay several years ago which looks remarkably similar; at least to my untrained eye :)
They're similar, aren't they. The dog on the button appears to be a Dalmatian, though, whereas the other has no obvious spots, and they are holding different forelegs up in the air so I don't think they are connected.

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Re: Family crest?
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 22 June 19 23:21 BST (UK) »
This hound could be what was called a Talbot, after the family of that name?

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Re: Family crest?
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 23 June 19 00:17 BST (UK) »
I wondered about the Talbot hound but remembering the Inn sign of a pub of that name ,the dog was white and looked much like a greyhound.
 But have googled it and yes ,in the first depiction the dog was much
sturdier than a greyhound with shorter legs too ,quite a chunky dog and the curved tail the same same.

So a good possibility as  has been mentioned.
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Re: Family crest?
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 23 June 19 05:35 BST (UK) »
The third image is captioned 'antique-livery-button-spotted-talbot' so someone's decided that the talbot dog is relevant.

The Firmin company is still in business.  Maybe they could help?

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Re: Family crest?
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 23 June 19 07:24 BST (UK) »
In Heraldry, the talbot is a hunting-dog, distinguished chiefly by the form of his ears.

The talbot depicted would be described as passant.

Passant: a word used to express the position of a beast walking past. Which foreleg is raised is left at the discretion of the artist!
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Re: Family crest?
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 23 June 19 09:08 BST (UK) »
What lovely a old heraldic term from so long ago.
I have not heard of dogs  being described as passant but it makes perfect sense as lions  on crests etc are so described,(I have just had to correct “loins”—- :D)
Now a question ,as  lions are also described as passant and passant guardant would  dogs  be so described ?and another term I have heard from somewhere , rampant? I think that would be up on two legs?
That dog looks very like a smashing daft friendly Cockapoo,that passes my house each day for his walk and more than a passing resemblance to an Italian Spinone who will never grow up,a permanent puppy.
How nice.He spends a lot of time on the floor refusing to move when getting near the gate when time to go home! As he is lion sized and heavy there is not much the owner can do  ;D ;D ;D
What is the heraldic term for flatly refusing to move?
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Re: Family crest?
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 23 June 19 09:14 BST (UK) »

What is the heraldic term for flatly refusing to move?

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