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"Oranges and lemons" - Cornish version
« on: Sunday 07 July 19 14:47 BST (UK) »
Cornish saints' names are rare and wonderful - they deserve wider recognition.  So, in tribute to those men (many of whose lives and deeds are forgotten) whose memories live on only in the names of parish churches I present a Rootschatter tribute: (please feel free to add more verses)

"Pipe up the organ" say the bells of St Mawgan
"Register that birth" say the bells of St Erth
"With mother's name too" say the bells of St Ewe
"The father - who is he?" say the bells of St Issey
"Mum did not say" says the bell of St Day

Here come Rootschatters to find out the dead
And here come some others just scratching their head
Scratch, scratch, scratch, scratch, we scratch our heads.

Ah, the joys of searching incomplete, illegible or untraceable parish registers!  :) :)
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Re: "Oranges and lemons" - Cornish version
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 07 July 19 15:21 BST (UK) »
Love it. Nice one Philip  :)
Crackett, Cracket, Webb, Turner, Henderson, Murray, Carr, Stavers, Thornton, Oliver, Davis, Hall, Anderson, Atknin, Austin, Bainbridge, Beach, Bullman, Charlton, Chator, Corbett, Corsall, Coxon, Davis, Dinnin, Dow, Farside, Fitton, Garden, Geddes, Gowans, Harmsworth, Hedderweek, Heron, Hedley, Hunter, Ironside, Jameson, Johnson, Laidler, Leck, Mason, Miller, Milne, Nesbitt, Newton, Parkinson, Piery, Prudow, Reay, Reed, Read, Reid, Robinson, Ruddiman, Smith, Tait, Thompson, Watson, Wilson, Youn

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Re: "Oranges and lemons" - Cornish version
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 07 July 19 15:43 BST (UK) »
Well Philip,your version has no one having their heads chopped off!
A vast improvement on the original.

‘ Here comes a candle to light you to bed
Here comes a chopper to chop off your head”

Some old rhymes were really nasty!
Throwing people downstairs
Tails cut off,cats in wells,shooting robins,babies hung in cradles which fall, beating knaves full score!
It is a wonder we grew up to be the well balanced reasonable people we are!

We know practically nothing about the obscure ( to we non Cornish people)
Saints of Cornwall.
The tiny churches are fascinating,many in ruins.
On holiday in Brittany one year we were fascinated by quite a few similarities between Bretons( the language) Welsh ,Flemish and we were told Cornish -
  Kernow.?
Have a bash at some more!
Do you know any details of any of those Saints?
Thanks. Viktoria.

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Re: "Oranges and lemons" - Cornish version
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 07 July 19 16:17 BST (UK) »
Quote from: Viktoria on Sunday 07 July 19 15:43 BST (UK)
On holiday in Brittany one year we were fascinated by quite a few similarities between Bretons( the language) Welsh, Flemish and we were told Cornish -
  Kernow.?

Welsh, Cornish and Breton are known as Brythonic Celtic languages.
Irish, Scots Gallic and Manx Gaelic are know as the Godelic Celtic languages.

On the Isle of Man we have an annual song, dance and art Festival called Yn Cruinnacht - celebrating the 6 Celtic Language nations.

Nothing to do with Flemish, which is distinct variety of Dutch! ;D
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Re: "Oranges and lemons" - Cornish version
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 07 July 19 17:15 BST (UK) »
Yes we lived in Flanders for twelve years.
Ja in Flemish ( the j sounds as our  y.)
Ya in Bretons.
Sikor in Bretons and secours  in French -help .
Flemish for cheese is kaas,Welsh is caws.
Fenetre  window in French , venster in Flemish and something like fenester in Welsh.

It was just an interesting thing to see the similarity not necessarily between all those languages but some to one and some to others.

How many Cornish speakers and Manx speakers I wonder and the Bretons language.
I think it amazing Welsh is still pretty strong .
So sad to lose a language.
Wonder if Asterix, Getafix  ,Obelix and Caconofix spoke Bretons?
Thanks, Viktoria.

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Re: "Oranges and lemons" - Cornish version
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 07 July 19 18:14 BST (UK) »
Manx was introduced to schools as an optional sunject in 1992.
Since September 2001 Bunscoill Ghaelgagh has operated as a medium-level school, based in St John's, with all lessons in Manx.

QE II High School (Peel) offers 2 subjects in Manx, and pupils can take the Teisht Chadjin Ghaelgagh (GCSE equivalent) in Manx. That's GCSE Equivalent.

There is also an A-Level equivalent, Ard-Teisht Ghaelgagh.
Manx is taught as a second language at all of the island's primary and secondary schools.

The latest figures avalable show that 1800 people spoke Manx - 2% of the population, and growing year-on-year.
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Re: "Oranges and lemons" - Cornish version
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 07 July 19 19:03 BST (UK) »
How quickly a thread can wander off in different ways  :) :)

"Is he alive?" say the bells of St Ive
"He's ended his term" say the bells of St Erme
"His soul is in Heaven" say the bells of St Levan
"Bury him deep" say the bells of St Veep
"Dust unto dust" say the bells of St Just
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Re: "Oranges and lemons" - Cornish version
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 07 July 19 19:41 BST (UK) »
"But where is the Dad?"
Said the bells of St. Chad.
"He left with another"
Said the bells of Moldover.
"How do we survive"
 Said the bells of St. Clive"

The workhouse the workhouse will find you a bed
You'll work 'til you drop just to keep your kids fed!
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Re: "Oranges and lemons" - Cornish version
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 07 July 19 20:41 BST (UK) »
Quote from: Treetotal on Sunday 07 July 19 19:41 BST (UK)
"But where is the Dad?"
Said the bells of St. Chad.
"He left with another"
Said the bells of Moldover.
"How do we survive"
 Said the bells of St. Clive"

The workhouse the workhouse will find you a bed
You'll work 'til you drop just to keep your kids fed!

Brilliant!  :) :)
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