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Re: Hawkhead Asylum, Paisley, Govan - Burial Records
« Reply #18 on: Saturday 13 July 19 19:13 BST (UK) »
Yes I have had the cemeteries checked close to Coatbridge and he isn't there.
All the cemeteries in Glasgow have been checked to no avail.
There is a gap in the records for Lambshill so I have to contact the bereavement service to see if they have the missing record.
I have e mailed the Catholic Church regarding St Convals as I didnt realise that it wasnt open in 1920.
That's a good idea regarding the under takers I will try that.
Yesterday with the help of kind people from this site I found Edward's war pension record and could see that Mary his widow is mentioned so I think that means she claimed it. I couldnt see further as I dont have fold3.
Edward was transferred after a short stay in the Merryflats War Hospital to Hawkhead Asylum where he was diagnoised with paralysis of the insane. He died a year after being admitted at the age of 28 yrs old. I am worried that the shame of his diagnosis and where he died may have prevented his estranged wife from burying him. I have heard of common graves in other institutions and was wondering if he met the same fate?
The archivist at the Mitchel library thought that if a body wasnt claimed that it could be buried in the grounds and no record kept.
Others think that the local authority would pay for a paupers funeral in a common grave but that a record would be kept.
It really is a mystery. Is it possible that some one dies in 1920 and there is not record or trace of a burial?
I really appreciate all your help. We just want to go an pay our respects even if its a housing estate now. Thanks

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Re: Hawkhead Asylum, Paisley, Govan - Burial Records
« Reply #19 on: Saturday 13 July 19 21:47 BST (UK) »
As far as I know there is no designated burial ground within Hawkhead (Leverndale) Hospital grounds. The grounds were extensive and included workshops, farms & Orchards, a laundry and a golf course. (My mother was a nurse there- and sometimes cajoled me into working at the Xmas parties). - it is possible that there had been a practice of burials in house so to speak but certainly by 1920 I think this practice would have ceased. Hawkhead Cemetry in Paisley opened in 1891 and could be reached quite easily from the hospital grounds - although the boundary problem rears its head there.

The Merryflats connection does explain why he ended up in a Glasgow hospital but as you have hinted at the stigma of Hawkhead may have had quite a detrimental effect on the family.

Given that he was a military transfer it is possible that his records were swept up when the MOD gathered all records of personnel treated in local and temporary war hospitals sometime in the 1920's. In a previous thread it was discovered that the NHS archivist had no records of Merryflats ever having been used as a Military Hospital.

There will be a record somewhere of the burial - even if it is just the Parish/Council keeping track of their expenditure - the problems lie in finding it

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Re: Hawkhead Asylum, Paisley, Govan - Burial Records
« Reply #20 on: Saturday 13 July 19 22:37 BST (UK) »
Thank you Falkyn for taking the time to respond. I am comforted by the idea that his burial record could have got caught up when the govt were recording all the military who were in hospitals. Even more so by your local knowledge. I920 is very late for in house burials. I know at Bangour Village hospital the unclaimed bodies were buried in local cemeteries in common graves. I will try the under takers in Paisley as suggested as im nit sure what else i can do

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Re: Hawkhead Asylum, Paisley, Govan - Burial Records
« Reply #21 on: Saturday 13 July 19 23:17 BST (UK) »
One of the bigger Funeral Directors in Glasgow was Wyllie and Lochhead - their archives are now held by Glasgow University Business Archives
https://www.gla.ac.uk/myglasgow/archives/collections/business/

This link gives you an idea of what information may be held (although they do caution that given the number of Funeral Directors that operated in Glasgow there is only a slim chance of finding a record)

https://www.housefraserarchive.ac.uk/series/?id=fras-42


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Re: Hawkhead Asylum, Paisley, Govan - Burial Records
« Reply #22 on: Sunday 14 July 19 09:09 BST (UK) »
thank you I will chase that up

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Re: Hawkhead Asylum, Paisley, Govan - Burial Records
« Reply #23 on: Friday 19 July 19 19:22 BST (UK) »
Hello ,Tara
I worked at Leverndale (Hawkhead), definitely no burials within grounds.
Have you tried Craigton Cemetery in Glasgow?
Also have you tried the people below, they were extremely helpful with my search.
Just explain your querie and give details.

Good Luck
Gordon

Bereavement Services
Daldowie Crematorium
Hamilton Road
Uddingston
G71 7RU
 
Tel No 0141 287 3961
Fax No 0141 287 3960
Email lscems@glasgow.gov.uk

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Re: Hawkhead Asylum, Paisley, Govan - Burial Records
« Reply #24 on: Tuesday 23 July 19 11:07 BST (UK) »
Hi Gordon
Thank you for your message, its comforting to know that there are no burials at Hawkhead as the idea really upset me.
No I havent tried Uddingtson thank you for the tip.
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Tara

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Re: Hawkhead Asylum, Paisley, Govan - Burial Records
« Reply #25 on: Monday 02 December 19 20:43 GMT (UK) »
Still haven't found Edwards resting place or record of such. Do you think it was possible that his body could have been donated to science? Did they keep records of this back then? Or is it possible that the researcher at the Mitchell Library was mistaken when she said there was no record of his burial?S

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Re: Hawkhead Asylum, Paisley, Govan - Burial Records
« Reply #26 on: Tuesday 03 December 19 09:56 GMT (UK) »
Hi Tara this may or may not be of help but while looking through the poor law books at the Mitchell I to came across a relative my granny's 1st cousin who's wife had made a application he had been sent 1st to Duke St hospital and there declared insane and then sent to Hawkhead where over the course of the years 1920 - 1930 was released then readmitted the reason of his insanity was written as GSW which turned out to be a Gun Shot Wound which he suffered from the 1st WW where he was discharged from in 1915, more digging led me to his own application where he was recommended to be treated at Hawkhead paid for by the National Scheme for Disabled Men which I had never heard of but seems to be run to look after war wounded veterans anyway this has led me to Erskine Hospital where it looks like he died I know through the poor law records his wife was paid some kind of pension maybe similar to your relatives wife which leads me to think that they would have been informed of any death as I have only just discovered this all yesterday I have still to track down his last resting place (he died in 1940) but Erskine could hold the records of his and maybe your relatives death.............hope this has been some help.
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