Kathleen O'Connell (murdered young?) M: Alice Kennedy; F:Patrick O'Connell

[Prue Heron]

Hi.  A friend is looking for ancestors in Cork/Limerick areas of Ireland. In particular Kathleen O'Connell (they were said to come form Charleville but I can't find anything.)  Mother as above, Alice Kennedy and father Patrick O'Connell (surname edited.. 20:42 20/7/19).  Kathleen was murdered as a young girl/teenager and I expected there would be a newspaper report but can find nothing.  Her death would have been around the 1916 era they have assessed from times of family visits back to Ireland and the black and tan era.  They would dearly like to find her grave to visit.  Any hints please...

[Dundee]

Is this the marriage of Patrick and Alice?

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1879/11070/8050559.pdf

Cross checking with births, this is probably the family in 1911 but they do not have a daughter named Kathleen.

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Limerick/Ardpatrick/Laurencetown_North/621398/

Perhaps you can tell us more about the family, in particular details of the child of Patrick and Alice that your friend descends from so that we can find the right people.

Debra 

[luimneach]

This must be family-nine children surviving in 1911,but only six listed as living at parents home.Kathleen(Kate)born on Sep 30 1887.By 1911 she would have been 24-possibly working as servant.If she died as teenager it was before 1911

[heywood]

1901
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Limerick/Ardpatrick/Laurencetown_North/1492747/
6 children at home

1911
Only 4 at home including Ellen 32 yrs who must be away in 1901 and Patrick 8 yrs.

10 children born alive and 9 still living.
I think there are two children missing, one of whom must have died.
6 from 1901 plus Ellen, plus Patrick - leaves 2 unaccounted for - Kate/Kathleen plus one other.

[Prue Heron]

Is this the marriage of Patrick and Alice?

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1879/11070/8050559.pdf

Cross checking with births, this is probably the family in 1911 but they do not have a daughter named Kathleen.

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Limerick/Ardpatrick/Laurencetown_North/621398/

Perhaps you can tell us more about the family, in particular details of the child of Patrick and Alice that your friend descends from so that we can find the right people.

Debra 

All extremely interesting... have sent it to friend...(she is just hosting a surprise party for the descendent of this family!) - she will be back soonest.

[Prue Heron]

Possible

[Prue Heron]

Death registration for a young Kathleen O'Connell... could be her?

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[hallmark]

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1911/05392/4505440.pdf

Name   KATHLEEN OCONNELL
Date of Death   1911
Group Registration ID   5180872
SR District/Reg Area   Limerick
Deceased Age at Death   15

[Prue Heron]

Snap... !  I would have thought there would be something in the newspapers if she had been murdered young... but I can find nothing.....