Please help me with Eliza Jay(?) born 1826.

[nannyj]

Were Eliza's parents Edward + Elizabeth actually married?

Nothing on PRs in hornchurch, Upminster, Dagenham, barking, Romford, wennington, aveley or rainham from 1813 to 1822.

[jonwarrn]

Hi
I haven't found a marriage for Edward Jay and Elizabeth either. The one in 1810 in Ovington doesn't look like being them.
But I don't know if Elizabeth was originally Hicks! If she was, it possibly might be an explanation.
John

[dicko99]

Thanks for all the info everyone.

On William Jay's side I have his parents as John Jay B. 1783 and Elizabeth Moore B. 1782. She married John Salmon on 17th Oct 1802 in Upminster and then John Jay on 12 Oct 1807 in Cranham.

I have her parents as Thomas Moore and Mary Nichols but no dates for either.

It's Eliza Jay's side that's still a bit of a mystery. Like yourselves, I have failed to find a marriage between Edward Jay and Elizabeth ?. From the 1841 census, I have Elizabeth as being born in 1791. If she was a Hicks then there are a few possible baptisms but they are all a long way from Cranham/Romford.

Also, if Eliza was born out of wedlock it might be possible that she was known as Eliza Hicks for a while but then where is that baptism? Everyone was baptised in those days, weren't they?

[nannyj]

But you have Eliza jay’s baptism and her siblings. James and jonas in 1821 and 1823 both Hornchurch. Eliza’s in Romford 1826. All three to Edward and Elisabeth jay (albeit that they may not actually have been married).

My bet is on Eliza living with a hicks when Emma Elizabeth was born in 1845. Hence the alias hicks.

[dicko99]

But you have Eliza jay’s baptism and her siblings. James and jonas in 1821 and 1823 both Hornchurch. Eliza’s in Romford 1826. All three to Edward and Elisabeth jay (albeit that they may not actually have been married).

My bet is on Eliza living with a hicks when Emma Elizabeth was born in 1845. Hence the alias hicks.

But that doesn't explain why all her subsequent children are registered with Hicks/Higgs as their mother's maiden name does it?