What is this place on a baptism from 1740 in Tealing? ELDER

[Forfarian]

Babluchlie on the 1796 map. Balbeuchley in the 1850s and on modern maps. Doesn't look like a prime candidate for Balleambo.

[Liviani]

Hi everyone.

I have now accessed the following baptism OPRs; 

• John Elder b.1737 Tealing to James Elder
• David Elder b.1743 Tealing to James Elder and Isobel Rae

Both these entries show that the place of residence is Balcambo/Balkambo. There are other families mentioned as being resident here on these pages, surnames; Moodie, Watson and Mill alongside my Elder family. So this suggests it was part of Tealing Parish itself. I've had a look on NLS Maps and not had any joy in finding anything similar to Balcambo, nor is Google yielding anything of use.

I think this location had disappeared, was known as something else or was re-named. Any thoughts?

I've attached snips of the records to show.

Edit: There is a farm/area known as Balkemback, the first part of this being "Balkem..". Whether or not this is the same place and it was simply known as Balkcambo/Baulkambo/Balcambo locally I don't know.

[Flattybasher9]

Location and map

Malky

[Forfarian]

That one that Malky found is the one in Murroes/on the outskirts of Dundee. See
https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=15&lat=56.4974&lon=-2.9100&layers=5&b=1

From the other two baptisms it looks as if it's Balcambo, and if so the 'c' in the middle would seem to eliminate Ballumbie.

Also means that Balkemback is a possibility. It is in the parish of Tealing.
https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=16&lat=56.5336&lon=-2.9836&layers=5&b=1

On Roy's map from the 1750s it's marked as Balkemoch
https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=15&lat=56.5323&lon=-2.9747&layers=3&b=1

and on Ainslie's map in 1796 it's Balkemmoch
https://maps.nls.uk/view/74400190

[Flattybasher9]

Did the paerish boundaries not change just after circa 1800.

Malky

[Forfarian]

They could well have done. The only point I intended to make is that there seems to be only one place named Ballumbie, consisting of Ballumbie House and a farm nearby.

The Statistical Account does say that Tealing is bounded on the east by Inverarity and Murroes. The New Statistical Account says nothing of the matter. However the map used to illustrate Tealing https://stataccscot.edina.ac.uk/static/statacc/dist/parish/Forfar/Tealing shows an enclave of the parish of Dundee between Tealing and Murroes. Just to confuse things further.

[Liviani]

Did the paerish boundaries not change just after circa 1800.

Malky

According to Ainslie's map of 1794, Ballumbie was in Murroes Parish then as well. So I don't believe it is the location.

That one that Malky found is the one in Murroes/on the outskirts of Dundee. See
https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=15&lat=56.4974&lon=-2.9100&layers=5&b=1

From the other two baptisms it looks as if it's Balcambo, and if so the 'c' in the middle would seem to eliminate Ballumbie.

Also means that Balkemback is a possibility. It is in the parish of Tealing.
https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=16&lat=56.5336&lon=-2.9836&layers=5&b=1

On Roy's map from the 1750s it's marked as Balkemoch
https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=15&lat=56.5323&lon=-2.9747&layers=3&b=1

and on Ainslie's map in 1796 it's Balkemmoch
https://maps.nls.uk/view/74400190

I agree that Balkemback is probably the most likely candidate here. There is no reference (that I can find) that suggests it could be anything else. There's just nothing similar at all. I suspect this was how it was known and spoken then?

[Liviani]

However the map used to illustrate Tealing https://stataccscot.edina.ac.uk/static/statacc/dist/parish/Forfar/Tealing shows an enclave of the parish of Dundee between Tealing and Murroes. Just to confuse things further.

I noticed that also. It appears to contain the estate of Duntrune and not much else, so possibly some local politics involved here?

EDIT: Wasn't "Bonnie Dundee" from here?

[Liviani]

I've just come across some text in "Angus or Forfarshire, the land and people, descriptive and historical"

It states;

On 4th November, 1609, Hugh Maxwell of Tealing, heir of his father, Sir
David, of Tealing, was retoured (No. 67) in the lands of Mains of Tealing,
called Milton, mill lands, lands of Balnuth, half the lands of Balgray, half
the lands of Kirkton ; half the lands of Polkembo (? Balkemback)

There's the "embo" appearing again.