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Re: Alfred Needham b. Aylsham or Yarmouth
« Reply #9 on: Saturday 03 August 19 18:05 BST (UK) »
I see that Mary Needham died at Sheffield Union aged 3 months and was also buried in the Roman Catholic cemetery in a separate communal grave on 29 January 1902.  Was she Emma’s daughter?  Why are they Catholic all of a sudden?
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Alfred Needham b. Aylsham or Yarmouth
« Reply #10 on: Saturday 03 August 19 18:15 BST (UK) »
The family in Sheffield definitely do not correspond to the William Needham/Emma Alicia Cooper marriage.  The latter couple are in Chesterfield in 1901 (she as Emma Alecia Needham).
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Alfred Needham b. Aylsham or Yarmouth
« Reply #11 on: Saturday 03 August 19 18:17 BST (UK) »
Age of 35 for Emma fits in with the 1901 census where she's 34, and as she seems to have died on 3rd January and Mary on 29 January, they may not have been buried at the same time? But I really don't understand the catholic thing either. Unless the catholics were the only ones who were burying the paupers that month?

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Re: Alfred Needham b. Aylsham or Yarmouth
« Reply #12 on: Saturday 03 August 19 18:24 BST (UK) »
Age of 35 for Emma fits in with the 1901 census where she's 34, and as she seems to have died on 3rd January and Mary on 29 January, they may not have been buried at the same time? But I really don't understand the catholic thing either. Unless the catholics were the only ones who were burying the paupers that month?
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The burials (not deaths) were 3 Jan and 29 Jan, per Sheffield Indexers.  Circumstantially they may have been mother & daughter but we don’t know, is that right? Similarly Emma may be the same one we see with William in 1901 (she is a decent fit) but not confirmed.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)


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Re: Alfred Needham b. Aylsham or Yarmouth
« Reply #13 on: Saturday 03 August 19 18:32 BST (UK) »
They maybe the ones but I've nothing definite either way. But as William was deceased by 1910, it may explain why any records of Annie and Emma junior end in 1901. Without a mother and then a father they would struggle to survive. But again it's not definite that William and Emma are Alfred's parents without his birth info.

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Re: Alfred Needham b. Aylsham or Yarmouth
« Reply #14 on: Saturday 03 August 19 18:44 BST (UK) »
It is all very puzzling.

There is a death in Hull in 1900 of a William Henry Needham aged 1 - wonder whether he is the one baptised in Norwich in 1899?

The unreliable tree has Annie Needham whisked off to the US as an adopted daughter.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Alfred Needham b. Aylsham or Yarmouth
« Reply #15 on: Saturday 03 August 19 20:10 BST (UK) »
There is a death in Hull in 1900 of a William Henry Needham aged 1 - wonder whether he is the one baptised in Norwich in 1899?

Died 12 March. Buried 15 March
Age 14 months
Son of William
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L96P-K8BP?i=300&cat=701705

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Re: Alfred Needham b. Aylsham or Yarmouth
« Reply #16 on: Saturday 03 August 19 20:40 BST (UK) »
That would explain why William wasn't on the 1901 census, but why Hull? Unless he's a child of the William who married emma in skulcoates. I think the child that went to America was the Keighley Annie who was 3 years older than the Sheffield one.

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Re: Alfred Needham b. Aylsham or Yarmouth
« Reply #17 on: Saturday 03 August 19 20:57 BST (UK) »
The age looks about right. They could have a had a short spell in Hull.
Are there no birth registrations at all?