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please advise what ....sep. means in a parish entry.
« on: Saturday 17 August 19 06:19 BST (UK) »
I expect everyone but me knows, what does sep. mean at the end of a parish register entry.

1652 May 4. Eduardus, f. Eduardi Roberts ... sep.

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Re: please advise what ....sep. means in a parish entry.
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 17 August 19 06:44 BST (UK) »
I expect everyone but me knows, what does sep. mean at the end of a parish register entry.

1652 May 4. Eduardus, f. Eduardi Roberts ... sep.

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Bronwen Summers
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Much depends on the context.

Sep, buried
It could mean seven but here I suspect it means to close off.
Was it at the end of the register or even perhaps a burial register where a family tomb was now filled and sealed to future burials?
In a bishop's transcript it could even mean that there were seven entries since the last BT.

It is like the "f" in your transcript I assume it was really a long "s" the archaic letter or symbol used to denote the letter s or the double letters ss.

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Guy

PS I really suspect it is short for sepulturae = buried
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Re: please advise what ....sep. means in a parish entry.
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 17 August 19 06:47 BST (UK) »
Could it be short for "sepulta fuit"  - was buried :-\
https://www.familytreeforum.com/showthread.php/102594-Latin-Translation

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Re: please advise what ....sep. means in a parish entry.
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 17 August 19 07:00 BST (UK) »
Thanks to both of you, I think Kay is on the button.
I have no idea what ....  nat. means either?

the other ones are
....  bap. (baptised)
.... nup. (I assume this means nuptial)



1662, Nov. 13. Richardus, f. Thomae et Sarae Gittoes de Minsterley ... sep.
" Dec. 3. Georgius Goodalle ... sep.
" Jan. 9. Johannes, f. Richardi et Eliz: Choriton ... nat.
" Jan. 13. Magistra Sarah Clough ... sep.
" Jan. 21. Anna, f. Johannis et Sarae Davies ... nat.
" Jan. 27. Robertus Nickolas ... sep.
" Jan. 30. Maria, f. Richardi et Annae Peate ... nat.
" Feb. 4. Martha, f. Danielis et Elinorae Diggory ... nat.
" Feb. 8. Maria, f. Richardi et Annae Peate ... sep.
Campbell, McKenzie, Ross, MacKay, Munro, Sutherland all of Ross & Comarty
Barry, Gibson, Watson, Summers, Edmonstone, Brock, McCartney all of Glasgow and environs
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Re: please advise what ....sep. means in a parish entry.
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 17 August 19 07:24 BST (UK) »
Possibly "Natus fruit" - born has been??   https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/LatinNotes 

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Re: please advise what ....sep. means in a parish entry.
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 17 August 19 07:40 BST (UK) »
Great thanks Kay, I think I now ahve that sussed.  And thanks for the link it will come in handy in future.

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Re: please advise what ....sep. means in a parish entry.
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 17 August 19 13:11 BST (UK) »
Ref reply #1, from Guy ...

Isn't the f. in the listing, short for filius (or whatever the LATIN word is, which I've forgotten), meaning 'son of' ???
i.e. Edward, son of Edward Roberts.

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Re: please advise what ....sep. means in a parish entry.
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 17 August 19 18:53 BST (UK) »
Yes thanks for pointing that out.
I forgot the text was in Latin I just remembered seeing an f in the transcript and assumed it was a long f.
Prove the point of viewing in context and not assuming anything.
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Re: please advise what ....sep. means in a parish entry.
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 17 August 19 20:48 BST (UK) »
Many thanks Dawn and Guy I had noted the f and assumed it meant father of.

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Campbell, McKenzie, Ross, MacKay, Munro, Sutherland all of Ross & Comarty
Barry, Gibson, Watson, Summers, Edmonstone, Brock, McCartney all of Glasgow and environs
Erskine, Fletcher of Edinburgh