Phyllis Blake or Phyllis Busby born c1906 or 07 or 08.....

[JJen]

Lincolnshire Echo 17 September 1936 reports the marriage of Captain Livingstone-Learmonth to Naomi Ludolf, her age is give as 29, therefore born c.1907.

Other reports on Naomi show that she received an allowance from her family, therefore perhaps from an affluent family?

JJ

[m23to53]

The certificate says "Phyllis Blake otherwise Phyllis Busby" which would seem to say known as either.

One piece of info on the certificate I forgot to mention was the bride's address - 13 Lushington Road (London/Middlesex?). The other days I searched the London electoral rolls on Ancestry but only came up with the address on the 1923 roll but with no Blake or Busby at the address. Now I blame this in Ancestry's indexing of the rolls from previous experiences,  but I have just redone the search in a slightly different way and suddenly the 1925 rolls with the address has appeared. And one of the couples at 13 Lushington Road is an Albert James Blake and Alice Blake.
However i cannot find an Albert James Blake marrying an Alice, but in 1884  James Albert Blake married an Alice Monk and had four daughter - Alice, Gertrude, Lily and May. The family is on the 1911 census in Watford with three of the daughters - Gertrude having married an Arthur Stuart Parker the previous year- and a granddaughter, Phyllis Constance Blake aged 5. Apart from Gertrude, none of the daughters are married and only Alice if of an age in 1911 to have a daughter aged 5. Checking the birth on the beta GRO search engine no mother's name is given and the birth registration  1st quarter 1906 at least agrees with part of the birth date on her death registration.

An Ancestry tree says Gertrude is the mother and that this Phyllis died in 1983 though no other details are given regarding that date, marriages etc.

So is it possible that I have now accidentally found the birth of Phyllis Blake/Busby/Faulkner/Livingstone Learmonth? That she was born out of wedlock - to either Alice or Gertrude Blake, and that a James Busby was the father? Or have i simply been misled by a red herring?

Would the birth certificate be of any use? Though no mother's name would it give the father?

Regards
John

[rosie99]

The baptism for that Phyllis with mother Gertrude gives a birthdate of 5 February1906

[AntonyMMM]

Would the birth certificate be of any use? Though no mother's name would it give the father?

You should always get the certificate if you are looking to solve a problem - there could information such as an address or an informant's name that could be crucial evidence.

The absence of a maiden name on the GRO index does not mean no father is listed on the register entry - however, by comparing it to the way it appears on FreeBMD (which uses different indexing rules) you can be pretty sure there isn't.

The certificate says "Phyllis Blake otherwise Phyllis Busby" which would seem to say known as either.

Which tells you that she used, or was known by, both names at the time she married, but that there doesn't appear to have been a formal name change. It would tend to support your theory that a James Busby was the father, and that this was acknowledged.

[Milliepede]

Just to add the address on the baptism is 157 Marylebone Road however that is also the address for all the other unmarried mothers on the page.

[AntonyMMM]

Just to add the address on the baptism is 157 Marylebone Road however that is also the address for all the other unmarried mothers on the page.

Address of the St Marylebone Female Protection Society

[rosie99]

 
Worth looking at 1901 
RG13 /1316 f5 p2 . St Albans Road, Watford
James Busby age 17   occ Carpenter   bn Watford, Hertfordshire

Gertrude was also in Watford
RG13 /1322 F109 p4
Gertrude Blake   age 13 born   Liverpool, Lancashire

[m23to53]

James Busby, 1884-1966, born and died Watford, and living there on 1939 Register, a carpenter as on 1901 census,  Cannot find a military connection. But he would appear to be the James Busby, born c1884, on 1929 and 1931 passenger lists, a civil servant working in Africa, with same home address as the James Busby on 1939 register.
Cannot see on 1911 census though in England in 1912/1913 when he married a Lilian Todd. Enlisted in army c1906 to avoid repercussions of getting a girlfriend pregnant?
Whatever, we will never know if he was the father or just a possibility. Though think I will get Phyllis's birth certificate in case there's a clue.

Thanks
John