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Jean Campbell & Charles Douglas Logierait
« on: Sunday 18 August 19 17:02 BST (UK) »
Good Afternoon

I am trying to find Jean (Parents James Campbell and Elizabeth McGregor) , Douglas (Parents Alexander and Isobel Douglas) and family after the 1861 Census, but not having much luck.
Jean Campbell was born 1805 Logierait and Douglas was born 1794 Logierait and married in 1830 Logierait.

1861 Census
Name:   Charles Douglass
Age:   72
Estimated birth year:   abt 1789
Relationship:   Head
Spouse's name :   Jane Douglass
Gender:   Male
Where born:   Logierait, Perthshire
Registration Number:   384
Registration district:   Moulin
Civil Parish:   Moulin
County:   Perthshire
Address:   Kehesomkie Toll
Occupation:   Toll Keeper
Household Members:   
Name   Age
Charles Douglass   72
Jane Douglass   60
Elizabeth Douglass   28

1851 Census
Name:   Charles Douglas
Age:   62
Estimated birth year:   abt 1789
Relationship:   Head
Spouse:   Jean Douglas
Gender:   Male
Where born:   Logierait, perthshire
Address:   Moulinarn
Occupation:   Toll Collector
Household Members:   
Name   Age
Charles Douglas   62
Jean Douglas   48

1841 Census
Name:   Chas Douglas
Age:   46
Estimated birth year:   abt 1795
Gender:   Male
Where born:   Perthshire, Scotland
Civil Parish:   Dowally
County:   Perthshire
Address:   Lodpettie Toll Bar
Occupation:   Toll Keeper
Household Members:   
Name   Age
Chas Douglas   46
Jean Douglas   39
Elisabeth Douglas   10
Janet Douglas   8
Janet Douglas   8
Jean Douglas   6
Helen Douglas   3
N K   4 Days

Any help will be most gratefully received

Regards
Moo

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Re: Jean Campbell & Charles Douglas Logierait
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 18 August 19 17:21 BST (UK) »
Charles Douglas died aged 80 on 14/1/1868 Moulinearn, Dowally, Pershire - married to Jane Campbell.   However, his parents are shown as John Douglas and Janet Moncrieff and not the couple you state. FamilySearch shows he was born 4/5/1787 and bp.5/5/1787, son of John Douglass and Janet Moncrieff.

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Re: Jean Campbell & Charles Douglas Logierait
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 18 August 19 17:25 BST (UK) »
Jane Douglas still at same address in 1871 and still in Dowally in 1881.

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Suffolk - Grist, Knights, Bullenthorpe, Watcham
Scotland - Spence, Horne, Cowan, Moffat
London -  Monk

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Re: Jean Campbell & Charles Douglas Logierait
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 18 August 19 17:34 BST (UK) »
Jane Douglas, widow of Charles Douglas, Tollkeeper, aged 83, died 7/3/1882 Moulinearn - however, again you have the wrong parents for her - they are shown on the death certificate as Alexander Campbell and Elizabeth Stewart.

Baptism on familysearch: Jean Campbell born 7/6/1798, bp.10/6/1798 Logierait, dau. of Alexander Campbell and Elizabeth Stewart.

Annette
Scopes (One-Name Study - Worldwide)
Suffolk - Grist, Knights, Bullenthorpe, Watcham
Scotland - Spence, Horne, Cowan, Moffat
London -  Monk

Don't walk behind me, I may not lead.   Don't walk in front of me, I may not follow.   Just walk beside me and be my friend.

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Re: Jean Campbell & Charles Douglas Logierait
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 18 August 19 17:42 BST (UK) »
Thank you Annette, I guess its back to the drawing board, I was working from the following

Name:   Jean Campbell
Gender:   Female
Birth Date:   27 Jun 1805
Baptism Date:   14 Jul 1805
Baptism Place:   Logierait,Perth,Scotland
Father:   James Campbell
Mother:   Elizabeth Macgrigor
FHL Film Number:   1040125

Name:   Charles Douglas
Gender:   Male
Birth Date:   25 Sep 1794
Baptism Date:   26 Sep 1794
Baptism Place:   Logierait,Perth,Scotland
Father:   Alexander Douglas
Mother:   Isobel Douglas
FHL Film Number:   1040125

Name:   Jean Campbell
Gender:   Female
Marriage Date:   14 Aug 1830
Marriage Place:   Logierait,Perth,Scotland
Spouse:   Charles Douglas
FHL Film Number:   1040382

2 + 2 do not equal 4 today  ;)

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Moo

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Re: Jean Campbell & Charles Douglas Logierait
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 18 August 19 17:58 BST (UK) »
You are obviously using (Ancestry?) transcriptions and indexes instead of originals.

Using a better transcription, the unheard-of address in 1861 is Killiecrankie Toll, which makes far more sense. https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=17&lat=56.7447&lon=-3.7787&layers=6&b=1 though I'm not sure where exactly the toll house is/was.

Moulinarn in 1851 is right except that it's usually spelled Moulinearn. https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=17&lat=56.6737&lon=-3.6809&layers=6&b=1 actually shows the toll house.

Lodpellie will be Ledpettie. https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=16&lat=56.5989&lon=-3.6229&layers=6&b=1 which now seems to be the north lodge of Dunkeld House Hotel https://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/300547 - though the building in that photograph is much more recent than 1841. Click on the map to enlarge it.

You need to look at the originals on www.scotlandspeople to be sure of getting the correct places.
Never trust anything you find online (especially submitted trees and transcriptions on Ancestry, MyHeritage, FindMyPast and other commercial web sites) unless it's an image of an original document - and even then be wary because errors can and do occur.

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Re: Jean Campbell & Charles Douglas Logierait
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 18 August 19 18:21 BST (UK) »
Hello

Thank you Forfarian

On checking sp it shows
CAMPBELL JEAN
CHARLES DOUGLAS/FR920 (FR920)
14/08/1830
376/40 35
Logierait

or

CAMPBELL
JEAN
JOHN SCOTT/
04/02/1844
373/
30 376
Little Dunkeld

I'm just trying to track down family in the Ancestry Census before using credits unnecessarily  :-\ There are so many Campbells lol

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Re: Jean Campbell & Charles Douglas Logierait
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 18 August 19 21:03 BST (UK) »
The Killiecrankie toll-house probably is the small building just to the south of the Killiecrankie visitor's centre on the old road (B8079), which originally was the site of Inch farm.

Here is the link for a visual on GoogleMap

https://www.google.com/maps/@56.7401381,-3.7702633,3a,75y,39.02h,73.49t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s4-nIEkUNy3-yETWvDDc5Hw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

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Re: Jean Campbell & Charles Douglas Logierait
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 18 August 19 21:38 BST (UK) »
There's certainly no question that that is a toll house. It's an absolute classic example, in fact.

https://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/6115342
Never trust anything you find online (especially submitted trees and transcriptions on Ancestry, MyHeritage, FindMyPast and other commercial web sites) unless it's an image of an original document - and even then be wary because errors can and do occur.