Which death entry is my Great Gran's Father and Grandfather?

[heywood]

Looking at the ages which may/not be accurate -you have

Matthew died 1875 age 48yrs - approx yob  1827

Matthew died 1873 aged 57 yrs - approx yob 1816

There are baptisms

1827 St Andrews Matthew Deegan - parents Michael and Anna

1817 St Andrews Matthew Duigan - parents Neil and Maria

Do any of these feature in your family?

[Tees]

Hi Rootschatters,

I wanted to add this proof as to why I said that her father died prior to 1876.

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1876/11169/8091935.pdf

Her mum remarried to Edward Lyons on 7th May 1876.

Before you tell me that it is not a correct marriage entry, it is because my great gran did state her parentage on her US marriage record in 1903. She said her father is Edward Lyons Deegan and her mum Eliza Burns.

Also, if you looked at her mum’s occupation which is dressmaker which is on both entries and her father is Thomas James and house painter/painter on both entries.

I do not know why she did not declare that she is a widow or stated that her maiden name is not Deegan or used her married name for her father’s surname.

How did I know I have a right couple? Well, Edward Lyons registered his firstborn and he stated that Eliza is Lyons formerly Deegan previously Burns!

Here is their first born child Luke to this union:

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1877/03012/2103791.pdf

He died in 1879. Poor him but the couple went on having children up to 1890.

Eliza died in 1893.

I am trying to determine which Edward’s death entries is mine. But, I feel it is “not important” because he is not of my linear ancestor but married to my great gran’s mum.

She is the only child from Eliza’s first marriage.

Hope this further information helps.

Kind regards,

Tees

[Tees]

Hi Heywood,

The fathers on these baptism records are not mine. You appear to disregard Mathew’s marriage record. He stated his father is Mathew.

I have many records on my ancestors whose ages are off the mark. This is mostly in Ireland.

I often do not take them seriously. I am sorry that we would have to respectfully agree to disagree on this point.

Ireland is the country with “spotty” records because of the destroyed censuses at various times  and some church records were burnt up in the War of Independence. That is a national tragedy.

We have to remember that this area was the slums of Dublin which was my understanding.

Thanks,

Tees

[Tees]

Hi again,

It seems that My great grandmother wanted to acknowledge both of her fathers at the same time on her marriage record. She might did not know her father’s name, only her maiden surname.

It took a very kind Dubliner to tell me that we should trust her mum and followed her in the marriage records.

Now it is why she put down two surnames instead of one surname for the father.

As to this post, before any of you start arguing with me about the ages.

I only wanted to know which is the father’s death entry?

I feel 57 is too old to marry Eliza and that 47 seems “right”. Trouble is that it is difficult to determine without the census information. Ages were notoriously wrong in this era as well.

I only throw in Grandfather in because there are few Mathew Deegans on IrishGenealogy site and that both are in the same field of work.

Thank you,

Tees

[heywood]

I haven’t disregarded any records you have posted quite the contrary.
I am not interested in agreeing or disagreeing with you. I am just trying to help you.

I am illustrating that there are possible baptisms which could be the two Matthews’ deaths you have posted.

It would seem that Matthew Deegan and Rose Manning married in 1831 which, and in this case I do agree with you, would exclude those baptisms but additionally the ages of the deceased Matthews would have to very much off the mark, as you state.

Best wishes in your searches

Regards
Heywood

[Tees]

PS I found Eliza’s age on her death entry to be wrong as well. It was 5 years off. I have her baptism record. That is why I do not take ages on the death certificates seriously.

[heywood]

Whitefriar Street may be significant in your search although as with ages, addresses also changed.

[Tees]

Thanks, Heywood, appreciate your kind words!

I was focusing on how to determine which Mathew is mine.

I did not expect to have two Mathew death entries showing same occupation in the same timeframe.

That’s why I was hoping someone here would assist me.

I can live without a grandfather if necessary. I might be wrong about my idea...I am much interested in father.

Thanks for finding a 1831 marriage, I will go there and see if there is any further information to work with.

Kind regards,

Tees

[heywood]

Matthew aged 57 yrs lived at 21 Whitefriar Street at the time of death.

The Lyons/Deegan marriage you posted was 25 Whitefriar Street.