Author Topic: Trying to acertain role in army from "private soldier _____ foot"?  (Read 836 times)

Offline MLC

  • RootsChat Extra
  • **
  • Posts: 46
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Trying to acertain role in army from "private soldier _____ foot"?
« on: Friday 20 September 19 11:56 BST (UK) »
I am trying to find out more about John Findlay/Finlay, from his son's 1801 baptism and 1865 death records.

The death records state that "____ Findlay/Finlay" was a "private soldier _____ foot"?

The death certificate does not state the father as deceased. As he would have been at least could this have been an oversight?

The mother is listed as Margaret Finlay m.s. Russell although I cannot find any evidence that Margaret Russell married John Findlay.

Could anyone suggest what John Findlay's military role could have been?

Many thanks

Offline Craclyn

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 3,462
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Trying to acertain role in army from "private soldier _____ foot"?
« Reply #1 on: Friday 20 September 19 12:07 BST (UK) »
Since the birth record indicates that the child was illegitimate John and Margaret may never have married. The death record saying Margaret Russell, maiden surname Russell would be consistent with them never having married.
Have you tried looking for census records and military records to see if that will shed any light on John’s occupation?
Crackett, Cracket, Webb, Turner, Henderson, Murray, Carr, Stavers, Thornton, Oliver, Davis, Hall, Anderson, Atknin, Austin, Bainbridge, Beach, Bullman, Charlton, Chator, Corbett, Corsall, Coxon, Davis, Dinnin, Dow, Farside, Fitton, Garden, Geddes, Gowans, Harmsworth, Hedderweek, Heron, Hedley, Hunter, Ironside, Jameson, Johnson, Laidler, Leck, Mason, Miller, Milne, Nesbitt, Newton, Parkinson, Piery, Prudow, Reay, Reed, Read, Reid, Robinson, Ruddiman, Smith, Tait, Thompson, Watson, Wilson, Youn

Offline RJ_Paton

  • RootsChat Honorary
  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 8,492
  • Cuimhnichibh air na daoine bho'n d'thainig sibh
    • View Profile
Re: Trying to acertain role in army from "private soldier _____ foot"?
« Reply #2 on: Friday 20 September 19 12:10 BST (UK) »
John Finlay/Findlay is or was a soldier with the rank of private in Regiment of Foot (infantry) - unfortunately the reportter did not know the full information as the actual regiment name is left blank.

Offline MLC

  • RootsChat Extra
  • **
  • Posts: 46
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Trying to acertain role in army from "private soldier _____ foot"?
« Reply #3 on: Friday 20 September 19 13:07 BST (UK) »
Thank you Falkyrn, that narrows down the search  :)

Does the fact that the fathers profession is given as "soldier" mean that this was his full time occupation?


Offline RJ_Paton

  • RootsChat Honorary
  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 8,492
  • Cuimhnichibh air na daoine bho'n d'thainig sibh
    • View Profile
Re: Trying to acertain role in army from "private soldier _____ foot"?
« Reply #4 on: Friday 20 September 19 13:29 BST (UK) »
Thank you Falkyrn, that narrows down the search  :)

Does the fact that the fathers profession is given as "soldier" mean that this was his full time occupation?

More than likely but given that the reporter of the death did not know all of the information they may have been relying upon family stories for their "facts".

However as the time of this relationship was during the early days of a war between Britain and France and the rise of Napoleon it is quite possibly accurate as there would have been large recruitment drives

 Unfortunately death regstrations are possibly the least reliable of all official documents as you are reliant upon the knowledge of the person reporting.

Offline Rena

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 4,804
  • Crown Copyright: www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Trying to acertain role in army from "private soldier _____ foot"?
« Reply #5 on: Friday 20 September 19 13:44 BST (UK) »
There's a document online concerning the 1790s call up of men required to defend the land against the French. This lists the number of army Fencible recruits that parishes had to provide.

There's a couple of Finlays, one being a John Finlay of Fife recruited in Mid Lothian.

https://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/12813067.pdf
Aberdeen: Findlay-Shirras,McCarthy: MidLothian: Mason,Telford,Darling,Cruikshanks,Bennett,Sime, Bell: Lanarks:Crum, Brown, MacKenzie,Cameron, Glen, Millar; Ross: Urray:Mackenzie:  Moray: Findlay; Marshall/Marischell: Perthshire: Brown Ferguson: Wales: McCarthy, Thomas: England: Almond, Askin, Dodson, Well(es). Harrison, Maw, McCarthy, Munford, Pye, Shearing, Smith, Smythe, Speight, Strike, Wallis/Wallace, Ward, Wells;Germany: Flamme,Ehlers, Bielstein, Germer, Mohlm, Reupke

Offline MLC

  • RootsChat Extra
  • **
  • Posts: 46
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Trying to acertain role in army from "private soldier _____ foot"?
« Reply #6 on: Friday 20 September 19 18:51 BST (UK) »
Thank you Falkyrn.

Very interesting document Rena, thank you too.

Offline GR2

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 4,588
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Trying to acertain role in army from "private soldier _____ foot"?
« Reply #7 on: Friday 20 September 19 18:58 BST (UK) »
The minutes of the kirk session for the parish should give some more details about John in 1801. If he had been in the army at the time he would almost certainly have been described as a soldier in the baptism register. 

Offline Rosinish

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 14,239
  • PASSED & PAST
    • View Profile
Re: Trying to acertain role in army from "private soldier _____ foot"?
« Reply #8 on: Friday 20 September 19 23:55 BST (UK) »
John is only described as a Soldier (deceased) in 1865 on a death cert. i.e. may/could have joined up after the baptism in 1801?

Annie
South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, Cumming, MacPhee

"OLD GENEALOGISTS NEVER DIE - THEY JUST LOSE THEIR CENSUS"