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Offline heywood

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Re: Family changing religion confusion
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 26 September 19 22:16 BST (UK) »
Trying to find them in the Census
There is this family but Thomas is RC
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Tipperary/Newport/Newport_Main_Street/1699342/

This seems to be your family but you say Thomas remains Church of Ireland in 1901  :-\

Catholic marriage 1888 Thomas Lees and Margaret Molony.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1888/10777/5930599.pdf
In 1901, above, Thomas, Margaret and the children are all Catholic but his father David is Presbyterian.

Thomas remarries in 1904 in the Catholic Chapel and in 1911 states he is Catholic.
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Re: Family changing religion confusion
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 26 September 19 23:03 BST (UK) »
Sorry my mistake, Thomas is indeed RC in 1901. I'm confusing myself it seems!
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Re: Family changing religion confusion
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 26 September 19 23:07 BST (UK) »

Were there any children between William 1857 and Thomas 1866?
I haven't found any yet.

Were there any daughters?  If Anne was Catholic, her daughters may have been baptised in a Catholic church.
Unfortunately I haven't found any yet.


As David was a soldier, he may have been abroad or stationed in Britain during the gap in births. If Anne accompanied him they may have had more children.
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Re: Family changing religion confusion
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 26 September 19 23:14 BST (UK) »
Sorry my mistake, Thomas is indeed RC in 1901. I'm confusing myself it seems!

So Thomas either thought he was R.C. or became one at some point. There may have been a Catholic conditional baptism.
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Re: Family changing religion confusion
« Reply #13 on: Friday 27 September 19 00:32 BST (UK) »

Catholic marriage 1888 Thomas Lees and Margaret Molony.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1888/10777/5930599.pdf

Thomas remarries in 1904 in the Catholic Chapel and in 1911 states he is Catholic.

A witness to 1888 marriage was Samuel Lees. Possibly a brother of Thomas?
 A Samuel Lees married Maryanne Brown at R.C. Chapel, Newport, 2nd Feb. 1882, Nenagh Superintendent Registrar's District.  His stated age was 21 and his father was David. If his age was correct he would have been born before civil registration of births began in Ireland.

A death registration of interest is in Nenagh Super. Registrar's District in 1901. David Lees of Newport died in Nenagh workhouse on 11th ? March. Recorded age was 50.

Wasn't 2nd marriage of Thomas in 1905? Pity he didn't marry after 1908 when clergy at the wedding parish required information about where and when the bride and groom were baptised.
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Re: Family changing religion confusion
« Reply #14 on: Friday 27 September 19 08:15 BST (UK) »
Yes Maiden Stone, Thomas remarried 1905 - my mistake.

As TunjiLees says, Thomas was baptised CoI in 1866
https://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/display-pdf.jsp?pdfName=d-271-2-1-031

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Re: Family changing religion confusion
« Reply #15 on: Friday 27 September 19 08:27 BST (UK) »
There is this possible marriage

March quarter 1850 Greenwich vol 5 pg 253

David Lees and Ann McGuire are on the same page

Birth Lees/McGuire

Esther Lees 1850 Greenwich
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Re: Family changing religion confusion
« Reply #16 on: Friday 27 September 19 08:45 BST (UK) »
There is a marriage - 1872 in Ahoghill for Esther Lees to Robert Perry. Her father is recorded as David Lees, farmer.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1872/11292/8142666.pdf
She is also recorded as a minor when she would have 21 yrs, I think.
However, her residence is Ballylummin which is where a Samuel Lees and family seem to reside.
I wonder if Esther was raised by her uncle  :-\ as she was born so soon after David and Ann’s marriage - just an idea though.
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Re: Family changing religion confusion
« Reply #17 on: Friday 27 September 19 08:56 BST (UK) »
Thank you for all these clues everyone, it's all very helpful!

There is this possible marriage

March quarter 1850 Greenwich vol 5 pg 253

David Lees and Ann McGuire are on the same page

Birth Lees/McGuire

Esther Lees 1850 Greenwich

This is interesting. What source do you have for this?
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