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Offline Enfield Medcalf

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Marriage out of area
« on: Friday 04 October 19 13:38 BST (UK) »
I have a 4th marriage for an ancestor whose 3 previous wives all died and at least 2 had been married in church.
The ancestor lived in Enfield, Middlesex, certainly from 1839 onwards until his death in 1871.  He is on all the census there.
His 1st & 2nd marriages had been at St Botolphs, Bishopsgate and St Lukes, Old Street.  The 3rd marriage has yet to be found.
The 4th marriage in 1859 is at St Andrew, Holborn. In the 1841 census his wife is living in Enfield with her parents.
Why would they marry in Holborn?
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Re: Marriage out of area
« Reply #1 on: Friday 04 October 19 13:50 BST (UK) »
He seems to have favoured central/ City of London (or its borders) churches. Did he have family there, or work centrally?
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Re: Marriage out of area
« Reply #2 on: Friday 04 October 19 15:03 BST (UK) »
He was a licensed victualler in Enfield from 1839 and then started a nursery business.  He lived in Enfield until he died.

I believed that all his wives came from parts of London and that was why he married there.  But it seems that this one lived in Enfield.
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Re: Marriage out of area
« Reply #3 on: Friday 04 October 19 15:58 BST (UK) »
I'm assuming that you have the 1859 marriage entry - addresses?  And can I assume that the first two marriages were prior to 1839 as you have him living in Enfield from 1839 onwards.

OK, so his 4th wife was living in Enfield in 1841, but where was she in 1851, and which wife was HE with in 1841 and 1851?

Possibly stupid questions, but you haven't offered very much information.  :-\
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Re: Marriage out of area
« Reply #4 on: Friday 04 October 19 16:01 BST (UK) »
I am assuming it is William Hall born c1814
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Re: Marriage out of area
« Reply #5 on: Friday 04 October 19 17:54 BST (UK) »
I'm sure you've got all this - have I got it right?  :-\:

1839 - marriage between William Hall fa, Servant?, father William (Postmaster) and Ruth Robinson
1839 - Ruth Hall dies, aged 22
1840 - marriage William Hall, fa, Widower, Licensed Victualler, father William (Postmaster) and Isabella Turner
1841 census:  William Hall, 25, Victualler with Isabella, 30, and Isabella 2 (mmn = Robinson)
1848 - Isabella Hall dies, aged 42
1851 census:  William Hall, 37, Licensed Victualler with Caroline Mary,39 and Charles William, 7 mmn = Turner
1851 census:  Isabella Hall, 12, scholar
No death found for Caroline Mary Hall 1851-1859  :-\
1859 - marriage William Hall, fa, Widower, Florist, father William (Postmaster) and Rhoda Elizabeth Gladman
1861 census:  William Hall, 47, Seedsman and Florist with Rhoda, 46 and Charles W, 16.

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Re: Marriage out of area
« Reply #6 on: Friday 04 October 19 19:27 BST (UK) »
Caroline Mary Hall aged 43 - death Dec.qtr.1852 Edmonton.

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Re: Marriage out of area
« Reply #7 on: Friday 04 October 19 20:03 BST (UK) »
Oops, missed that death  :'(





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Re: Marriage out of area
« Reply #8 on: Friday 04 October 19 20:20 BST (UK) »
Thank you BumbleB, rosi99 and Annette7 for your replies.
I have everything.  Except the very elusive marriage number 3.
But
   my big question is why is marriage 4 in the Smoke when both were living in Enfield?
Ashe-Marlborough. Auchincloss-Glasgow. Dickey-Ireland,Scotland,USA. Ebben-Enfield. Fewins-St Austell, Ohio
Hall-Mdx & Northumberland. Heard/Hurd/Herd-Dry Drayton Cambs. Hillhouse-Scotland,USA.  Horton-West Bromwich,Greenwich Kent, Mdx, Surrey.  Kelly-High Beech, Essex.  Livermore-Enfield.  Malyon-Mdx.  Medcalf-Enfield Mdx, Cheshunt Herts.  Metcalfe-Dry Drayton Cam.  Saunders-Uxbridge, Enfield.  Sleath-Enfield.  Snelling-Storrington.  Stretton-Greenwich,Lee.  Wiltshire-Enfield.  Woodfield-Enfield
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