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Schunemann or Schunnemann
« on: Tuesday 08 October 19 00:03 BST (UK) »
Christian Schunemann 1858-1928. Born at Steinacker,  Schleswig Holstein; migrated c1880 to USA; fetched up at South Dakota where he married twice with children, and died there.
Looking for baptism record of 1858-1859 at Flensburg and district. Through Archion database not at Esgrus nor Kappeln.  Not confirmation 1857 at either of those churches.
Your assistance would be most welcome
Thanks
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Re: Schunemann or Schunnemann
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 08 October 19 10:13 BST (UK) »
a bit more info would be helpful.

Where did you get the place names Steinacker, Flensburg, Esgrus and Kappel from?
Who were his parents
etc

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Re: Schunemann or Schunnemann
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 08 October 19 10:22 BST (UK) »
what documents do you have?

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Re: Schunemann or Schunnemann
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 08 October 19 20:15 BST (UK) »
Steinacker appears in Meyer's Gazeteer as part of Niesgrau,  Kreis Flensburg. Today a street. Steinacker taken from earliest research by family, unsourced. Meyer's Gazeteer refers to Kappeln and Esgrus.  From Google map they looked to be closest parish churches to Steinacker,  Steinbergkirche on current map; seemed a likely starting place.
There may be other parish churches in that area.
Looking for the 1858-59 baptism record in order to discover parents. Parents are not named on death certificate.
Previous family research from US has brought this result to Steinacker,  not corroborated.
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Re: Schunemann or Schunnemann
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 09 October 19 06:10 BST (UK) »
Steinacker appears in Meyer's Gazeteer as part of Niesgrau,  Kreis Flensburg. Today a street. Steinacker taken from earliest research by family, unsourced. Meyer's Gazeteer refers to Kappeln and Esgrus.  From Google map they looked to be closest parish churches to Steinacker,  Steinbergkirche on current map; seemed a likely starting place.
There may be other parish churches in that area.
Looking for the 1858-59 baptism record in order to discover parents. Parents are not named on death certificate.
Previous family research from US has brought this result to Steinacker,  not corroborated.
Cheers
Schleswig-Holstein:- Rathgen; Rathjen; Oelkers; Behnke; Scheel; Rothgarn; Normanns; Scotland:- Lindsay

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Re: Schunemann or Schunnemann
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 09 October 19 14:48 BST (UK) »
My first thought was that it should be Schönemann, but I see the name Schünemann exists in north Germany, probably a variant of Scheunemann (Scheune = barn).  Names of immigrants to the USA were frequently corrupted.
Bagwell of Kilmore & Lisronagh, Co. Tipperary;  Beatty from Enniskillen;  Brown from Preston, Lancs.;  Burke of Ballydugan, Co. Galway;  Casement in the IoM and Co. Antrim;  Davison of Knockboy, Broughshane;  Frobisher;  Guillemard;  Harrison in Co. Antrim and Dublin;  Jones around Burton Pedwardine, Lincs.;  Lindesay of Loughry;  Newcomen of Camlagh, Co. Roscommon;  Shield;  Watson from Kidderminster;  Wilkinson from Leeds

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Re: Schunemann or Schunnemann
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 09 October 19 19:22 BST (UK) »
Thanks,  yes "Etymologisches worterbuch fur Deutschen familiennamen", by Brechenmacherr, has 'Schuenemann' = barn+man.
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Re: Schunemann or Schunnemann
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 10 October 19 07:32 BST (UK) »
Esgrus, Kappel, Flensburg etc. are all places in  Schleswig-Holstein (Slesvig-Holsten in Danish)
Schleswig-Holstein was under Danish jurisdiction up till 1864

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schleswig-Holstein#Duchies_in_the_Danish_realm

The Danish rule ended in 1864 with the  2. Slesvigske Krig - Deutsch-Dänischer Krieg

So that means the Schünemann´s were living in Denmark at the time of Christians Birth.

Here are a couple of links to the Danish census Database

http://www.ddd.dda.dk/dddform_uk.asp

https://www.danishfamilysearch.com/search/

For County try: Syd Slesvig, Holsten or Slesvig-Holsten
Name: Schünemann

I could´nt find any hits.

This link will only help if you can read old German
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/rif/rif-collection/7

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Re: Schunemann or Schunnemann
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 10 October 19 09:40 BST (UK) »
Thanks for all that, Dave. Thanks for checking. Thanks for the map.
Will keep looking
Cheers
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