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Re: Harry RUNDLE, British Army Soldier, born 1874, Luton, Bedfordshire UK
« Reply #54 on: Sunday 27 October 19 14:33 GMT (UK) »
nice one.
He was in the 1st. Batt. KRRC.
It says Grandson of Mrs. A. Carey of Sparkbrook B'ham.
Potentially he had 3 Grandmothers.
Jane Rundle/Rumble (d.1918), Mary Ann Inchley (d.1914) & Harry Hales' mother.
Looked for an Inchley/Carey marriage & found Doris A M Inchley married Charley Carey 1920.
She was Stanley's aunt, sister of Minnie.
She did live in Sparkbrook.
I've also been tracing the Rundle children from his marriage to Alice.
Pretty much as you would expect, married had kids & moved around B'ham a bit.
The 2 daughter Edith & Millie both married a Pittaway possibly brothers.
In 1945 Edith lived at no. 8 Wood Green Rd. I was born there at 33.
It was a very small road that ended in a cul-de-sac.
A bit before I was born but my parents would have known them.

Warks:Ashford;Cadby;Clarke;Clifford;Cooke Copage;Easthope;
Edmonds;Felton;Colledge;Lutwyche;Mander(s);May;Poole;Withers.
Staffs.Edmonds;Addison;Duffield;Webb;Fisher;Archer
Salop:Easthope,Eddowes,Hoorde,Oteley,Vernon,Talbot,De Neville.
Notts.Clarke;Redfearne;Treece.
Som.May;Perriman;Cox
India Kane;Felton;Cadby
London.Haysom.
Lancs.Gay.
Worcs.Coley;Mander;Sawyer.
Kings of Wessex & Scotland
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Re: Harry RUNDLE, British Army Soldier, born 1874, Luton, Bedfordshire UK
« Reply #55 on: Monday 28 October 19 01:44 GMT (UK) »
Sergeant Stanley Maurice Rundell Hales is buried in Brandwood End Cemetery Birmingham. He was on the Kings Roral Rifle Brigade. He is listed on the Commonwealth War Graves site and has a CWGC gravestone. There is a photo on the Find a grave site.

Thank you Gibel, this is amazing information. I've just looked up the cemetery & there is an email address, so I'll contact them to find out more information. His younger brother, Joseph, died 15th February 1984 in Casino, a small, rural northern NSW town in Australia. Joseph is buried at Casino Lawn Cemetery.

Many thanks!  :)
Rundle/Rumble, Inchley, Hales

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Re: HARRY RUNDLE, BRITISH ARMY SOLDIER, BORN 1874, LUTON, BEDFORDSHIRE, UK
« Reply #56 on: Monday 28 October 19 04:27 GMT (UK) »
Hi jim1, the information below was found by tazzie, with regards to a Nellie Rundle, Harry Rundle's sister. I'm assuming this is from the 1891 Census, which means Nellie would've been born around 1870. Her information doesn't mention a Florence Rundle, who would've been the child born between Alfred & Harry:-
Baptism....

Harry Rumble born 7 October 1876 baptised 28 October 1880 Christ church Luton Bedfordshire.
Father Joseph mother Jane.

1891 family are in Kings Norton Worcestershire.RG 12  2335/47

Joseph Rumble hd 48 hatter Bedfordshire
Jane Rumble.   Wi  50Buckinghamshire
Nellie dau 21 milliner Bedfordshire
Alfred son 18 railway fireman Luton
Harry son 14 pianoforte finisher Bedfordshire.

Tazzie

It's quite possible Alfred & Harry were definitely estranged from each other, considering the complicated situation Harry found himself in regarding Minnie/Harry Hales! I can't imagine the gossip surrounding the situation, but it would've put a strain on all parties involved  :-\

nice one.
He was in the 1st. Batt. KRRC.
It says Grandson of Mrs. A. Carey of Sparkbrook B'ham.
Potentially he had 3 Grandmothers.
Jane Rundle/Rumble (d.1918), Mary Ann Inchley (d.1914) & Harry Hales' mother.
Looked for an Inchley/Carey marriage & found Doris A M Inchley married Charley Carey 1920.
She was Stanley's aunt, sister of Minnie.
She did live in Sparkbrook.
I've also been tracing the Rundle children from his marriage to Alice.
Pretty much as you would expect, married had kids & moved around B'ham a bit.
The 2 daughter Edith & Millie both married a Pittaway possibly brothers.
In 1945 Edith lived at no. 8 Wood Green Rd. I was born there at 33.
It was a very small road that ended in a cul-de-sac.
A bit before I was born but my parents would have known them.


A few very interesting pieces of information in this one! Here goes:-

1. We know that Jane Rundle was Harry Rundle's mother, & Stanley & Joseph's paternal grandmother. Jane was born around 1841 & died in 1918. Her husband was Joseph Rundle born around 1843. I have no details on Joseph Rundle's death at this time so will have to research that one.

2. We know that Mary Ann Inchley was Minnie Eva Inchley's mother, & was Stanley & Joseph's maternal grandmother. My research indicates Mary Ann's maiden name was Booden. She was born around 1860 & died in 1914. Her husband was George Edward Inchley, born around 1854 & died in 1917. They had 14 children, 11 girls & 3 boys, quite a large family!

3. Doris A M Inchley is Doris Alice May Inchley & was, as you said, one of Minnie Eva Inchley's sisters, & therefore, Stanley & Joseph's aunt. My research indicates Doris was born around 1902 & died in 1977. Her husband was Charles Henry Carey, & they married in 1920, as you also mentioned.

4. Could Mrs A Carey have been Charles Carey's mother, & taken on the role of grandmother to Stanley perhaps? Seeing as though Jane & Mary Ann, both the biological grandparents, were already dead, this is quite possible, even though technically she was a great-aunt to Stanley.

5. I can't find any details of who Harry Hales' mother was, so it would be interesting to find this out.

6. I may have Harry & Alice Rundle's youngest child's name wrong. I thought it might be Nellie Louisa Rundle, not Millie.

7. My research indicates there is a death for an Edith Pittaway around the year 2000, in which case she lived until she was 94 years old, but this may not be her.

8. It's amazing that your parents may have known Edith Rundle & her husband. It would be interesting to know if your parents also knew Edith's parents, Harry & Alice Rundle, but that may be a little more difficult to find out now!

Many thanks!  :)
Rundle/Rumble, Inchley, Hales

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Re: Harry RUNDLE, British Army Soldier, born 1874, Luton, Bedfordshire UK
« Reply #57 on: Monday 28 October 19 10:16 GMT (UK) »
I've just come across some information under an "historical person search" on the website www.ancestry.co.uk, & it mentions Nellie L Rundle (not Millie) was married to a Frederick Pittaway, possibly Frederick William Pittaway, born around 1906/1907 & died in 1962. Seems as though there are quite a few Pittaways from the Birmingham area! I'll keep researching details of Edith Rundle's relationship with a Pittaway.

Regards  :)
Rundle/Rumble, Inchley, Hales


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Re: Harry RUNDLE, British Army Soldier, born 1874, Luton, Bedfordshire UK
« Reply #58 on: Monday 28 October 19 11:05 GMT (UK) »
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Nellie L Rundle (not Millie)
The census looks like Milly but knowing her mmn was Booden I looked it up & found it was Nellie Louisa as you say.
I think the Mrs. A Carey is Doris she would have been his closest relative & probably down as his NOK.
His service record is still with the MOD but it will cost £30 for a copy & probably a 6 month wait.
I looked up what the 1/KRRC were doing ww2 & they were part of Monty's desert rats who fought Rommel in N. Africa.
They then spearheaded the invasion of Sicily which is probably where he was wounded & evacuated back to the UK but only his service record will tell you what happened.
Warks:Ashford;Cadby;Clarke;Clifford;Cooke Copage;Easthope;
Edmonds;Felton;Colledge;Lutwyche;Mander(s);May;Poole;Withers.
Staffs.Edmonds;Addison;Duffield;Webb;Fisher;Archer
Salop:Easthope,Eddowes,Hoorde,Oteley,Vernon,Talbot,De Neville.
Notts.Clarke;Redfearne;Treece.
Som.May;Perriman;Cox
India Kane;Felton;Cadby
London.Haysom.
Lancs.Gay.
Worcs.Coley;Mander;Sawyer.
Kings of Wessex & Scotland
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Re: Harry RUNDLE, British Army Soldier, born 1874, Luton, Bedfordshire UK
« Reply #59 on: Monday 28 October 19 14:17 GMT (UK) »
I think I've found Harry Hales in 1881/91, father Frederick a jeweller. If that's his occupation on their marriage then it's the right one. Lived in All Saints ward which is the same end as Minnie Inchley. Doesn't help much though.
RG11; Piece: 3009; Folio: 110; Page: 62
RG12; Piece: 2367; Folio: 75; Page: 14
Warks:Ashford;Cadby;Clarke;Clifford;Cooke Copage;Easthope;
Edmonds;Felton;Colledge;Lutwyche;Mander(s);May;Poole;Withers.
Staffs.Edmonds;Addison;Duffield;Webb;Fisher;Archer
Salop:Easthope,Eddowes,Hoorde,Oteley,Vernon,Talbot,De Neville.
Notts.Clarke;Redfearne;Treece.
Som.May;Perriman;Cox
India Kane;Felton;Cadby
London.Haysom.
Lancs.Gay.
Worcs.Coley;Mander;Sawyer.
Kings of Wessex & Scotland
Census information is Crown copyright,from
www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/

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Re: Harry RUNDLE, British Army Soldier, born 1874, Luton, Bedfordshire UK
« Reply #60 on: Monday 28 October 19 17:00 GMT (UK) »
Hi jim1, all the information helps quite a lot, don't worry about that!  :)

It's quite possible that the private member on www.ancestry.co.uk I mentioned previously has a copy of Stanley's service record, but I would have to check with other family members on this to clarify.

I've had a look on Google Maps at Edith's house at 8 Wood Green Road, & realised how close it is to Bacchus Road, where Edith's mother Alice lived, however, methods of transportation approximately 75 years ago would be very different to modern ones today!

My research indicates that the 1939 Register shows Frederick & Nellie Pittaway lived at 127 Kemberton Road, Birmingham, & 3 more who are possibly their children.

My research on www.ancestry.co.uk also indicates that there is a death for a Nellie Pittaway in 1993, so she would've lived until around 83 years of age, but this may not be her.

I'm still searching for Edith Rundle's marriage to a Pittaway, & any children as well.

At the time of the 1881 Census, Harry Hales would've been about 6 years old, so in 1891 about 16 years old. In 1901, Harry Hales was boarding with Minnie Inchley's family. Harry Hales & Minnie Inchley married in 1904 at St Agatha's Church, Sparkbrook, & Harry's father, Frederick Hales, was already deceased at this time. I'm still searching for any information regarding Harry Hales' mother, &/or any siblings he may have had. My research indicates that on the 1939 Register, Harry Hales was living at 4 Yoxall Grove, Birmingham, & 1 more person residing at this address with him at this time, if this is the same Harry Hales who married Minnie Inchley & was a still a widower in 1939.

Obviously there are still lots of little bits of information to find out, so I'll keep searching!  :)
Rundle/Rumble, Inchley, Hales

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Re: Harry RUNDLE, British Army Soldier, born 1874, Luton, Bedfordshire UK
« Reply #61 on: Monday 28 October 19 17:18 GMT (UK) »
Harry was born 1879. There are 3 Harry Hales in B'ham. How do you know it's him?
If memory serves Harry in Yoxall rd. was married to Gertrude. They also had a daughter Minnie just to confuses things.
Just checked & that Harry Hales married Gertrude Roberts 1905.
Another Harry Hales is lodging with the Snow family in Balsall Heath in 1927 but no way of knowing if it's him.
Warks:Ashford;Cadby;Clarke;Clifford;Cooke Copage;Easthope;
Edmonds;Felton;Colledge;Lutwyche;Mander(s);May;Poole;Withers.
Staffs.Edmonds;Addison;Duffield;Webb;Fisher;Archer
Salop:Easthope,Eddowes,Hoorde,Oteley,Vernon,Talbot,De Neville.
Notts.Clarke;Redfearne;Treece.
Som.May;Perriman;Cox
India Kane;Felton;Cadby
London.Haysom.
Lancs.Gay.
Worcs.Coley;Mander;Sawyer.
Kings of Wessex & Scotland
Census information is Crown copyright,from
www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/

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Re: Harry RUNDLE, British Army Soldier, born 1874, Luton, Bedfordshire UK
« Reply #62 on: Tuesday 29 October 19 19:14 GMT (UK) »
Harry Hales is either 23 or 33 in the 1901 census, with 33 possibly more likely for a militia sergeant.

So he was born either circa 1867/8 or 1877/8.
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