Maternal Family Tree: Ikin, Oakes

[Talacharn]

Having moved back a few generations, I am unsure about what I am finding, so hope some on Rootschat can clarify.

To start with, the census said Jane Oakes was born in Congleton.
1871 Census . Weaver, Cheshire
John Oakes . Head . M . 49 . Wettenhall, Cheshire
Jane Oakes . Wife . F . 39 . Congleton, Cheshire

The only marriage that fitted, was:
Name: John Oakes . Spouse's Name: Jane Oakley
04 Oct 1849 . Buglawton, Cheshire
Father's Name: Richard Oakes
GS Film: 2149024 . Digital Folder: 004019106 . Image: 00881

Intended Marriage: 01 Oct 1849
John Oakes . Age: 21 . Jane Oakley . Age: 19
John Oakes of Darnhall in the Parish of Whitegate in the County of Chester
Farmer . Twenty One Years . Batchelor
Jane Oakley of the District of Buglawton in the County of Chester aforesaid
Nineteen Years . Spinster
Parochial Chapel of the District of Buglawton
And he further made the Oath that the said Jane Oakley hath no father living or Guardian of her person appointed by the Court of Chancery and having authority to consent to the marriage.
John Oakes
GS Film: 1911717 . Digital Folder: 4018722 . Image: 1113

Jane was the illegitimate daughter of Mary Oakley who died aged 20.
Mary Oakley
Cheshire Bishop's Transcripts, 1598-1900
Burial: 15 Jun 1834 aged 20 . Congleton, Cheshire
GS Film: 1655361 . Digital Folder: 004011829 . Image: 00615
In the church record, listed below there is Henry Oakeley, born 1834 to Mary Oakeley . Single and died 1834, aged 0, with the burial 15 Jun 1834 . Astbury, Congleton, Cheshire.
GS Film: 1655361 . Digital Folder: 004011829 . Image: 00615

I believe Jane then lived in the Winsford area
1841 Census . Weaver Court House . Middlewich, Cheshire
William Williamson . M . 60 . Cheshire
Mary Williamson . F . 60 . Cheshire
Jane Oakley . F . 8 . Cheshire
HO107 . Piece/Folio: 96/4 . Page Number: 13
From the transcription, it does not say if they are related, but I am finding information linking Williamson to Oakes through marriage, though as yet, I have not found the actual link.

Now I have some confusion: Where was Mary born and who were her parents? There are families in the Winsford and Buglawton areas that overlap. Having moved my family tree to the Congleton area, I assumed she would be born there, but could only find a birth in Over.

From different sources, she should be born in 1814, but there are two Christening dates.
Cheshire Bishop's Transcripts, 1598-1900
Christening 13 Feb 1814 . Over, Cheshire
Father's Name: David Oakley (Tailor) Mother's Name: Nancy
GS Film: 1751482 . Digital Folder: 004019487 . Image: 00904
The parents are clearly written David and Nancy.

England, Cheshire Parish Registers, 1538-2000
Name: Mary Oakley . Christening 21 Jul 1816 . Over, Cheshire
Father's Name: David Oakley (Tailor) Mother's Name: Nanny
GS Film: 2105305 . Digital Folder: 004018995 . Image: 00429

Could David Oakley’s wife be Ann?
Marriage: David Oakley . Ann Daniels . 26 Jul 1801 . Over, Cheshire
GS Film: 1751482 . Digital Folder: 004019487 . Image: 00721

There are children recorded naming David Oakley and Nancy, Nanny and Ann(e), in Over. But there are also references that say David is a Tailor, Beer Seller or Labourer. From Over, but some say Congleton area.
One daughter Ann, has David and Ann Oakley as parents and he is a Tailor, so I feel Nancy could also be Nanny, Ann or Anne,

Before trying to link the children to parents, am I right to trace my lineage back to David and Ann Oakley?

[BumbleB]

1814 baptism - both parish register and BT show Mary to be the daughter of David and Nancy Oakes of Swanlow.  David = Tailor.

1816 baptism - parish register says David and Nanny Oakes of Swanlow, David = Tailor.  BT says David and Nanny - of Swanlow, David = Tailor.

I can't see a burial for Mary 1814, at St Chad, Over.

Using just David as the father, and St Chad as the venue:

5 January 1812 - Caleb = David and Nanny of Swanlow - no occupation

10 January 1819 - Ann = David and Ann of Weaver, Tailor

8 July 1822 - Elizabeth = David and Anne of Weaver, Tailor

[Talacharn]

Mary was born in 1814 and died 1834, buried in Astbury, Congleton.
I know there were families in Over and the Congleton area.
My first thought was that she left Over to give birth to Jane in 1831.
In the census records, I find children from one area living, I assume with relatives, in the other area.

This is the only Birth/Christening I can find:
Cheshire Parish Registers, 1538-2000
Christening: Mary Oakley . 13 Feb 1814 . Over, Cheshire
Father's Name: David Oakley . Mother's Name: Nancy
GS Film: 2105305 . Digital Folder: 004018995 . Image: 00411

I believe once Mary died, Jane lived with William and Mary Williamson, that was in the 1841 Census.

There is a Mary which does not fit, as the Mary I am looking for died in 1834:
But it does show the problem I have with names and places.
This Mary would be born after the other had died and the dates do not seem to fit with this David and Ann.
1841 Census . Mill Street . Astbury, Cheshire . Congleton
David Oakley . M . 45 . Cheshire
Ann Oakley . F . 45 . Cheshire
Samuel Oakley . M . 15 . Cheshire
Emma Oakley . F . 14 . Cheshire
Mary Oakley . F . 4 . Cheshire
HO107 . Piece/Folio: 119/8 . Page: 11: 00010

One David Oakley in the Congleton area was a beer seller, as there may be more than one, in also finding farmer/ag lab. I do not see a tailor night-shifting as beer seller or farmer.

[BumbleB]

Image for 1814 baptism at St Chad, Over.

[BumbleB]

And Mary Oakley 1816 - St Chad, Over.

[Talacharn]

Hi BumbleB,
I am aware of both: 13 Feb 1814 is from the Cheshire Bishop's Transcripts, 1598-1900 and 21 Jul 1816 is from Cheshire Parish Registers, 1538-2000. Why there are two different dates I am struggling with. But Nancy seems to also be Nanny, even though the names are clearly written in the transcriptions. And Nancy could also be Ann, if they are known as Annie, which I have also seen. The date for Mary should be 1814.

[BumbleB]

Both entries 1814 and 1816 appear in both parish registers and BT's.  So two separate baptisms = 4 entries.

Parish register and BT for 1814 , AND parish register and BT for 1816.

Images for all 4 entries are on FindMyPast.

[Talacharn]

Of the Oakley children, David Oakley the Tailor, most have Weaver or Swanlow as their location, but one is Astbury, Congleton. As for the Tailor’s wife, it is Ann, Anne, Nancy and Nanny. All four seem to be linked to other children, with the David Oakley being a Labourer when profession was offered.

Just before reading your last post, I reached the same conclusion, they are different children.

Christening: Mary Oakley . 21 Jul 1816 . Over, Cheshire
Father's Name: David Oakley . Mother's Name: Nancy
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C86623-3 . System Origin: England-ODM . GS Film number: 1751483
This is not the right Christening.

Christening: Mary Oakley . 13 Feb 1814 . Over, Cheshire
Father's Name: David Oakley . Mother's Name: Nancy
Image: Swanlow . Tailor
GS Film number: 2105305 . Digital Folder Number: 004018995 . Image Number: 00411
This seems to be the right one.

But there are also:
Christening: Caleb Oakley . 05 Jan 1812 . Saint Chad, Over, Cheshire
Father's Name: David Oakley . Mother's Name: Nanny
Image: Very different document layout.
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: P01089-1 . System Origin: England-ODM . GS Film number: 0823615 IT 9

Christening: Ann Oakley . 10 Jan 1819 . Over, Cheshire
Father's Name: David Oakley . Mother's Name: Ann
Image: Weaver . Tailor
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C86623-3 . System Origin: England-ODM . GS Film number: 1751483

Christening: Elizabeth Oakley . 08 Jul 1821 . Over, Cheshire, England
Father's Name: David Oakley . Mother's Name: Anne
Image: Weaver . Tailor
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C86623-3 . System Origin: England-ODM . GS Film number: 1751483

Christening: Elizabeth Oakley . 08 Jul 1821 . Over, Cheshire
Father's Name: David Oakley . Mother's Name: Anne
Image: Weaver . Tailor
GS Film number: 2105305 . Digital Folder Number: 004018995 . Image Number: 00471

Christening: Samuel Oakley . 10 Jul 1825 . Astbury, Cheshire
Father's Name: David Oakley . Mother's Name: Ann Oakley
Image: Congleton . Tailor
GS Film number: 1655360 . Digital Folder Number: 004011828 . Image Number: 00477

There are several children being Christened, often two at a time, by Ann Oakley with no father named, and looks like her moving into the area and Christening all to qualify for poor relief. On one it is recorded Labourer.

I do not know what to do next. The only marriage I can find between David Oakley and one of the named women being 1801, which is unlikely for Mary to be born in 1814.

[BumbleB]

Hi BumbleB,
I am aware of both: 13 Feb 1814 is from the Cheshire Bishop's Transcripts, 1598-1900 and 21 Jul 1816 is from Cheshire Parish Registers, 1538-2000. Why there are two different dates I am struggling with. But Nancy seems to also be Nanny, even though the names are clearly written in the transcriptions. And Nancy could also be Ann, if they are known as Annie, which I have also seen. The date for Mary should be 1814.

No - there are two very separate instances of a baptism for Mary Oakley - and four separate entries = 2 from parish register and 2 from BT's.

PR = 13 February 1814 - entry no: 130, page 17.  BT = 13 February 1814 - entry No: 14, no page number.

PR = 21 July 1816 - entry No: 414, page 52.  BT = 21 July 1816 - entry No: 60, no page number.