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« on: Friday 19 August 05 09:31 BST (UK) »
I have read the links above and find them quite bewildering!

I wonder if anyone can point me in the right direction to find two of my in-law ancestors, please?

John Thomas PRITCHARD (1895 - 1971)

Possibly joined the South Wales Borderers during WWI, before transfer to the Northumberland Fusiliers.  Served in India.  Don't know anything about his service, but was likely a conscripted soldier.  Family remembers that he had a certificate and an embroidery (where are they now??) commemorating his service.  He came from Hay on Wye and returned there after the war. 

Patrick Joseph RYAN (abt 1876 - 1922)

Joined the Army as a volunteer, we believe, from Ireland.  Was a cavalryman, mentioned in dispatches according to family story, which also says that his parents bought him out of the Army twice!  I cannot find him prior to 1901, but possibly he is a soldier in the Channel Islands on the 1901 census.  We believe he came from Waterford and his father's name was Denis.  He settled in Neath.

Any help, however small, to trace the service records or likely regiments of these men would be very gratefully received.

kind regards, Arranroots  ;)
Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
SOM: BIRD, BURT aka BROWN - HEF: BAUGH, LATHAM, CARTER, PRITCHARD - GLS: WEBB, WORKMAN, LATHAM, MALPUS - WIL: WEBB, SALTER - RAD: PRITCHARD, WILLIAMS - GLA: RYAN, KEARNEY, JONES, HARRY - MON: WEBB, MORGAN, WILLIAMS, JONES, BIRD - SCOTLAND: HASTINGS, CAMERON, KELSO, BUCHANAN, BETHUNE/ BEATON - IRELAND: RYAN (WATERFORD), KEARNEY (DUBLIN), BOYLE(DUNDALK)

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Re: Army ancestors
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 20 August 05 08:08 BST (UK) »
hiya arranroots,i could only find one man in the cavalry.
patrick.j ryan
pte 1230 king edwards horse,then pte in the lancashire fusiliers No40593,then back to the king edwards as corporal 1230,then commissioned as a 2nd lieutenant with the royal munster fusiliers.mack
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« Reply #2 on: Saturday 20 August 05 08:46 BST (UK) »
Hello again Manmack!

Thank you for your efforts - I really wasn't hopeful!

Do you have any dates with this information please?  Where did it come from?

And what can I do with it now I have it?  I need to try to assertain whether it is my man or not - how would I do that?

sorry about all the questions!  ::)

Arranroots  ;)
Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
SOM: BIRD, BURT aka BROWN - HEF: BAUGH, LATHAM, CARTER, PRITCHARD - GLS: WEBB, WORKMAN, LATHAM, MALPUS - WIL: WEBB, SALTER - RAD: PRITCHARD, WILLIAMS - GLA: RYAN, KEARNEY, JONES, HARRY - MON: WEBB, MORGAN, WILLIAMS, JONES, BIRD - SCOTLAND: HASTINGS, CAMERON, KELSO, BUCHANAN, BETHUNE/ BEATON - IRELAND: RYAN (WATERFORD), KEARNEY (DUBLIN), BOYLE(DUNDALK)

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Re: Army ancestors
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 21 August 05 16:14 BST (UK) »
arranroots,sorry about the late reply,i used to be on call out but now ime based on site at work,so i cant get to my PC very often,i get my info from various sources,mainly from the 3000 ref books on military that i have,this ref was from the MIC cards,the other man,j.t pritchard is going to be difficult,there are about 6 who could match him??dont download the MIC card for pat ryan just yet because it may not be him,i will dig around a bit more tomorow for you,[day off ;D]mack
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« Reply #4 on: Sunday 21 August 05 16:31 BST (UK) »
Mack you are a hero!  I will personally make you a medal if you can help me sort this out!

As you can see I need your guidance, as this is all a new area.  I went back and had a look for soldiers called Patrick RYAN in the censuses (I had done it before) but all I find is one in the Irish regiment in Essex 1891.  I don't know where any of these units would have been??

I also don't know what MIC cards are?  I also couldn't find a reference on the internet to King Edward's Horse - does it go under another name?

Many, many thanks

Arranroots  ;)
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SOM: BIRD, BURT aka BROWN - HEF: BAUGH, LATHAM, CARTER, PRITCHARD - GLS: WEBB, WORKMAN, LATHAM, MALPUS - WIL: WEBB, SALTER - RAD: PRITCHARD, WILLIAMS - GLA: RYAN, KEARNEY, JONES, HARRY - MON: WEBB, MORGAN, WILLIAMS, JONES, BIRD - SCOTLAND: HASTINGS, CAMERON, KELSO, BUCHANAN, BETHUNE/ BEATON - IRELAND: RYAN (WATERFORD), KEARNEY (DUBLIN), BOYLE(DUNDALK)

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Re: Army ancestors
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 27 August 05 13:59 BST (UK) »
Speaking to rellies, the family story is that Patrick RYAN fought in Afghanistan and was mentioned in despatches. 

Two more questions:  would the units mack has identified have been in Afghanistan?  And would the MID be published where I might find it?

Thanks for your interest,

Arranroots  ;)
Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
SOM: BIRD, BURT aka BROWN - HEF: BAUGH, LATHAM, CARTER, PRITCHARD - GLS: WEBB, WORKMAN, LATHAM, MALPUS - WIL: WEBB, SALTER - RAD: PRITCHARD, WILLIAMS - GLA: RYAN, KEARNEY, JONES, HARRY - MON: WEBB, MORGAN, WILLIAMS, JONES, BIRD - SCOTLAND: HASTINGS, CAMERON, KELSO, BUCHANAN, BETHUNE/ BEATON - IRELAND: RYAN (WATERFORD), KEARNEY (DUBLIN), BOYLE(DUNDALK)

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Re: Army ancestors
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 27 August 05 14:29 BST (UK) »

Hi Girlfriend!!

check out this website - for background ...!
we might just add it to our Book Club - it's that good!!  :P :P

http://www.angloafghanwar.info/robertsFuneral.html


Have a great day

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« Reply #7 on: Saturday 27 August 05 14:42 BST (UK) »
Hey Annie!

I had a look at this site on Matty's thread (but thanks to you anyway!).  Can't say I am much good at all this army stuff - give me an aeroplane any day!

I think I need it in words of one syllable!

It is an unfortunate set of circumstances where all the family papers from both sides of my in-laws family went astray, but I would like to try and find out.  We received Patrick RYANs death cert yesterday, but no mention of any military service on it.  Despite surviving whatever his role was, he died quite young, leaving a widow and large family - the youngest only one year old.

Whatever we find out is too late for his son, who died last year, but I would like to be able to tell his remaining family...

Arranroots  ;)
Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
SOM: BIRD, BURT aka BROWN - HEF: BAUGH, LATHAM, CARTER, PRITCHARD - GLS: WEBB, WORKMAN, LATHAM, MALPUS - WIL: WEBB, SALTER - RAD: PRITCHARD, WILLIAMS - GLA: RYAN, KEARNEY, JONES, HARRY - MON: WEBB, MORGAN, WILLIAMS, JONES, BIRD - SCOTLAND: HASTINGS, CAMERON, KELSO, BUCHANAN, BETHUNE/ BEATON - IRELAND: RYAN (WATERFORD), KEARNEY (DUBLIN), BOYLE(DUNDALK)

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« Reply #8 on: Saturday 27 August 05 15:06 BST (UK) »


Hi Mum!

Maybe this will help you with their movements

http://www.1914-1918.net/CAVALRY/kingedwards.htm

Annie  ::)

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http://web.archive.org/web/20130807102055/http://www.powv.webs.com/
Be who you are and say what you feel -  because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind ! Dr. Seuss

Erect no gravestone .... let the Rose every year bloom for his sake ! Rilke Sonnets to Orpheus, I
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