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Re: The elusive Emma PETERKIN & Florrie PRECIOUS !
« Reply #27 on: Sunday 27 October 19 12:03 GMT (UK) »
Whilst I am thinking it is the same person, the newspaper articles only confirm Emma Ginger and the Peterkin surname but not as yet to Emma Peterkin Wenger. Is that right?
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Re: The elusive Emma PETERKIN & Florrie PRECIOUS !
« Reply #28 on: Sunday 27 October 19 12:15 GMT (UK) »
Whilst I am thinking it is the same person, the newspaper articles only confirm Emma Ginger and the Peterkin surname but not as yet to Emma Peterkin Wenger. Is that right?

Yes, that's right.  No mention of Wenger from what I have seen.
Robbins - Wolverhampton.
Spooner - Monmouthshire & Wolverhampton.
Warner & Loundes - Dudley/West Bromwich.
Dod(g)son - Heysham/Liverpool/Wolverhampton

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Re: The elusive Emma PETERKIN & Florrie PRECIOUS !
« Reply #29 on: Sunday 27 October 19 12:17 GMT (UK) »
Well avm, according to the GRO Index, and Ancestry BMD's. Emma named all her children as shown below, and it's how they also appear on the Census Records.  ??? ???  Like I said, why would any woman in her right mind name her children after an ex. Husband, and Convicted Bigamist to boot  ??  The mind boggles !   ::) ::) ::) ::)
BUCKLEY, Ches. & Lancs, DUNN, Ireland & Lancs. EDGSON, Rutland, Leics & Lancs. LYON, Lancs. McNULTY, Ireland & Lancs. MORRIS, Beds, Hunts & Lancs. SWARBRICK, Lancs. TURNER, Lancs. WILLIAMSON, Lancs.

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Re: The elusive Emma PETERKIN & Florrie PRECIOUS !
« Reply #30 on: Sunday 27 October 19 12:32 GMT (UK) »
Anyway folks, thank you all once again for the hard work and brilliant results on my behalf, and I'll definitely look more deeply into Emma GINGER...  Many many thanks...  ;D ;D ;D ;D
BUCKLEY, Ches. & Lancs, DUNN, Ireland & Lancs. EDGSON, Rutland, Leics & Lancs. LYON, Lancs. McNULTY, Ireland & Lancs. MORRIS, Beds, Hunts & Lancs. SWARBRICK, Lancs. TURNER, Lancs. WILLIAMSON, Lancs.

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Re: The elusive Emma PETERKIN & Florrie PRECIOUS !
« Reply #31 on: Sunday 27 October 19 12:48 GMT (UK) »
This seems a good match for Arthur Peterkin b 1868

1871 1562/58/21

Arthur Pitkin 3 yrs boarding with the Rowe family, Leighton Buzzard.


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Re: The elusive Emma PETERKIN & Florrie PRECIOUS !
« Reply #32 on: Sunday 27 October 19 13:04 GMT (UK) »
The GRO index doesn’t tell you what surname the child took. The only names given on a birth certificate for the child, at that time, are the given names. The index just tells you the father’s surname (if married) or the mother’s surname (if a single mother & father not named) or both (if the child was born to an unmarried couple who registered it jointly).
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: The elusive Emma PETERKIN & Florrie PRECIOUS !
« Reply #33 on: Sunday 27 October 19 13:06 GMT (UK) »
The Bell... otherwise know locally as the Top Bell( top of the market square and the Golden Bell was at the bottom).....was in the family for a length of time. Coleman Ginger was the holder in 1821.
Thos Ginger in Slaters directory in 1850. 1880 it has Chas. Pickering. There is a Jo's. Ginger at the Golden Bell which was owned by the Duncombe Charity.

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Liscoe -all
Green/Simpson/Underwood-Beds
Walker/Foulkes/Fookes/Fooks/Hedges/Lamborne-Bucks.
Stanton/Pattrick/Cooper/Fitzjohn/Holland/Spalding-London
 Rewallin/Underwood -Devon
 Casbolt-London/Cambridge
 Favell/Favel - Lincs-Beds

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Re: The elusive Emma PETERKIN & Florrie PRECIOUS !
« Reply #34 on: Sunday 27 October 19 14:53 GMT (UK) »
Anyway folks, thank you all once again for the hard work and brilliant results on my behalf, and I'll definitely look more deeply into Emma GINGER...  Many many thanks...  ;D ;D ;D ;D

If you accept Emma Peterkin as the visitor in 1871, then there is this scenario to consider.

1871 3200/13/22

Emma Peterkin is a visitor in the household of Alexander Sadler Simmons.
His daughter Ann Sadler Simmons married William Henry Parsons in 1868.
Two children of the couple are with her and both born Leighton Buzzard.

1871 1562 /75/12

William H Parsons is a Grocer in Leighton Buzzard a few doors away from Elizabeth Ginger, Innkeeper.

1881 1641/54/4
The Parsons are in L B as Grocer and Wine and Spirits Merchants.

It is quite feasible that Emma accompanied Ann Parsons to visit Ann’s father.


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Re: The elusive Emma PETERKIN & Florrie PRECIOUS !
« Reply #35 on: Sunday 27 October 19 16:57 GMT (UK) »

William H Parsons is a Grocer in Leighton Buzzard a few doors away from Elizabeth Ginger, Innkeeper.

It is quite feasible that Emma accompanied Ann Parsons to visit Ann’s father.

I think it's quite feasible too Heywood.  Just to clarify, Elizabeth Ginger, Innkeeper, in the 1871 is Emma's mother. (DOB and POB match her in the 1851 census).
Robbins - Wolverhampton.
Spooner - Monmouthshire & Wolverhampton.
Warner & Loundes - Dudley/West Bromwich.
Dod(g)son - Heysham/Liverpool/Wolverhampton