Cochrane - Irvine

[Andrew C.]

I seem to be getting into a fankle with my great grandmother’s family. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Cochrane married John Chambers at Loughgilly in 1902. I believe Lizzie is staying at Keadymore with father John, mother Mary, brother George and sister Annie in 1901. The only thing I know from my gran is that her parents were from Markethill area and she had an aunt Annie, so I suspect this is the correct  family.

So I can find the birth of Elizabeth to John and Mary (Irvin) at Kilcon, Mountnorris in 1881 and George at Kilcon in 1878. After this it gets a bit sketchy not helped by John’s age in the census in 1901 being a lot different from 1911.

There is a marriages of John Cochrane and Mary Irvine at Ballydogherty, Loughgilly in 1866 that would mean a big gap to the birth of daughter Annie which I though would have been 1876. I do however find an Anna Maria Coughran born to John Coughran and Mary Irvine At Ballydogherty in November 1873. There is also a Mary Jane Cockren born to John Cockren and Mary Irwin in 1869. Is  this Ballydogherty family my great grandmothers family or am I going off on a tangent?

[Kiltaglassan]

Andrew,

Just putting up the link for the marriage in 1902
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1902/10281/5741897.pdf
Annie Cochrane appears to be one of the witnesses and Elizabeth is living at Keady More, Loughgilly.

So this is liable to be the Cochranes in 1901.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Armagh/Tullyhappy/Keadymore/1036940/

John is an agricultural labourer and they would move around looking for and finding farm work. Thus they would move homes to live close to their work. So the townlands where John and his family lived include Ballydogherty, Kilcon and Keady More. Kilcon and Keady More are next to each other and Ballydogherty is about one kilometre away across the Gosford-Armagh road.

https://www.townlands.ie/armagh/orior-lower/loughgilly-lower-orior-portion/ballydogherty/
https://www.townlands.ie/armagh/orior-lower/loughgilly-lower-orior-portion/kilcon/
https://www.townlands.ie/armagh/orior-lower/loughgilly-lower-orior-portion/keady-more/

Remember that registrars wrote down what they heard and consequently there was misspelling, phonetic spelling or other misinterpretation by the registrars and clerks. So variations include Cochrane, Cochran, Coughran, Cochren, Coughren etc.


KG

[Andrew C.]

Thanks for that KG it was as much the big gaps in years between marriage and births as much as the names that made me doubt the entries.

[sally2154]

Hi Andrew,

I have been helping a friend piece together his Cochrane history and I believe he is from the same family - Mary Irvine and John MciIlroy Cochrane - this additional sibling fills the gap a little.

My friend is Cedric Cochrane, he is descended from William John who was born in 1871 to Mary and John.  No mistaking -  same family.  Who knows, there may be other lost children?

My friend is concerned as his DNA test results have to date yielded no Cochrane matches - I think something is amiss.  I’m trying to find family and see if they may have already DNA tested or be willing to do so so that Cedric can learn the truth... thoughts?

Thank you!

Sally

[aghadowey]

My friend is concerned as his DNA test results have to date yielded no Cochrane matches - I think something is amiss.  I’m trying to find family and see if they may have already DNA tested or be willing to do so so that Cedric can learn the truth... thoughts?

Doesn't really mean anything- a friend's DNA shows no matches with his own surname either.

Not sure if link to 1911 census has been posted yet-
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Armagh/Tullyhappy/Keady_More/307292/

Some of the children-
Mary Jane (1869)
Thomas (1871)
Anna Maria (1873)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1873/03177/2165367.pdf
George (1878)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1878/02969/2087929.pdf
Elizabeth (1881)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1881/02809/2030815.pdf

[sally2154]

Thank you aghadowey, we have those records 

The lack of surname matches may indeed be coincidental, but it also may signify that he has no genetic connection with his supposed male line.  Of course I have not explained all details relevant to my friend's DNA test results, one fact of which is that he shares about half the expected DNA with his Cochrane 2nd cousin.  Shared matches with this cousin are all from his paternal grandfather's mother's line (no identified patrilineal matches as yet).  It would be staggering to think that with his 700+ matches of over 20cM, not one can be identified as sharing his Cochrane ancestors.  It is possible, however we would like to target test a Cochrane relative to help us identify if it is an issue or just an anomaly.

Anyhow this is not really a DNA forum so I will stop there, but thanks for your input.

Have a great day!