Dicksons/Dixons from Canonbie/Middlebie/Langholm research help!

[MonicaL]

Guessing you have details of the memorial to their graves already? www.findagrave.com/memorial/186918755

Added: there is another Dixon burial at the same cemetery. Adding in case it is connected to John (sibling/ cousin) www.findagrave.com/memorial/186996639/janet-moffat

Monica

[brentdickson]

Thanks, Monica. I've been a member awhile and check in, but haven't posted recently. Appreciate any help!  Yes re: Gravestones at Old Carruthers. 

Death cert details.... 

John Dixon
Farmer
Married to Elizabeth Thomson

1865 July Fifteenth
2 h 30 m am
West Craigs

M
79 years

James Dixon
Farmer
(Deceased)
James Dixon
______ Dixon
M. S. Little
(Deceased)

Old age
No medical attendant

Robert Dixon
Son
Not present

1865
July 22
At Middlebie
Chris Borthwick
Registrar

[brentdickson]

There were Moffats living on each side of the Dixons at Blackcroft, but I haven't made the connection with that Janet.

[MonicaL]

A concern I have about one of the potential sets of parents for John you mention, James and Jean (Telfer), is that they look to have left Dumfriesshire for Glasgow at the end of the 1700s. Did they come back in time for John to marry in the Dumfriesshire in 1816 

What were the names of Elizabeth Thomson's parents?

Monica

[brentdickson]

Monica:

Parents for Elizabeth were James and Isabel Carruthers.  I'm sorry if your posts were updated or I read too quickly.  We DON'T know for sure that Little is incorrect, but a search of births in the area within the time frame don't leave m/any options.  In addition, the possible dates of birth of John vary from 1841,51,61 censuses to his death and the informer son wasn't present, leading us to believe it could've been an error transferring info. With the christenings I've seen for Middlebie and Canonbie, none include sponsors, witnesses, etc.

[brentdickson]

Monica:

I was aware they turned up in Glasgow for some time, but haven't determined why. I do know they returned, though, or possibly maintained two residences. The family were gardeners/nurserymen at Netherby, I believe they may have operated the Cross Keys Inn in Canonbie for some time, and/or operated a courier/coach business.

Still trying to narrow down and scour new resources, but I believe DNA deductions on Ancestry also point to descent from James Dixon and Jean Telfer.

Thanks again for all your great work!
Brent

A concern I have about one of the potential sets of parents for John you mention, James and Jean (Telfer), is that they look to have left Dumfriesshire for Glasgow at the end of the 1700s. Did they come back in time for John to marry in the Dumfriesshire in 1816 

What were the names of Elizabeth Thomson's parents?

Monica

[jcmac]

It might not be important - but I don't see it mentioned in replies.

The original extract shows 2 + a bit of the 3rd line.
I read line 2 as "John Dixon yr & ...."
Line 3 seems to have a similar detail but is only partially displayed.

Would "yr" have any effect on identifying/confirming which John D. is being recorded?

[Forfarian]

Would "yr" have any effect on identifying/confirming which John D. is being recorded?

If it is indeed yr, then yes, it would imply that John's father is still living, but not necessarily that his father was also named John.

However I don't think it is yr. Look at the very last abbreviation after 'this'. If that is 'Pr' for 'Parish', it is identical to the abbreviation after 'Middelbie'.

"John Dixon of Middlebie & Elizabeth Thomson in this parish Jan 26th"

"John Dixon Pr of Middelbie & Elizabeth Thomson in this Pr Janry 26"

it is always better if you type out information

I disagree 100%. This is a classic case of why it is always better to see the original.

[brentdickson]

Thank you both. The abbreviation, I later learned, was "parish."  I also agree that it's always better to view the original!

Would "yr" have any effect on identifying/confirming which John D. is being recorded?

If it is indeed yr, then yes, it would imply that John's father is still living, but not necessarily that his father was also named John.

However I don't think it is yr. Look at the very last abbreviation after 'this'. If that is 'Pr' for 'Parish', it is identical to the abbreviation after 'Middelbie'.

"John Dixon of Middlebie & Elizabeth Thomson in this parish Jan 26th"

"John Dixon Pr of Middelbie & Elizabeth Thomson in this Pr Janry 26"

it is always better if you type out information

I disagree 100%. This is a classic case of why it is always better to see the original.