Margaret Liddle (Osman) (Montrose)

[kjmck]

Hi,

I'm looking for help locating the birth of Margaret Liddle. She married Robert Osman on 19th May 1805 in Montrose, it reads - 'Sergeant Robert Osman of the 8th Regiment of Foot & Margaret Liddle of this Parish were proclaimed in order to Marriage & no Objections offered.'

Their daughter Elizabeth lists her birthplace as 'Montford' in Census returns. There are also links to Bo'ness somehow.

Their children are David 1807, Elizabeth 1808, Mary 1813 (born at Bo'ness), & Jane 1816 (born at Bo'ness).

I can't find a birth for Margaret Liddle in Montrose, nor know of a reason why they might relocate to Bo'ness.

Can anyone help?

Keelan

[Rosinish]

There are also links to Bo'ness somehow.

Their children are David 1807, Elizabeth 1808, Mary 1813 (born at Bo'ness), & Jane 1816 (born at Bo'ness).

I can't find a birth for Margaret Liddle in Montrose, nor know of a reason why they might relocate to Bo'ness.

Are there any clues on the Bo'ness baptisms of the children (not on the index) e.g. witnesses?

I could only find 2 baptisms, David & Jane on SP however there's another Osman birth which may be related?

OSMAN DAVID 03/01/1804
ROBERT OSMAN/MARGARET TWEEDALE
663/40 333 Bo'Ness

Have you found any family in early census' from 1841 forward?

Annie

[kjmck]

Hi Annie,

David Osman 1804 - 'Robert Osman & Margaret Tweedale had a Lawful son born Nov. 4th 1803 & Baptd Jan. 3rd 1804.' I assume Robert & Margaret were married if David is listed as Lawful.

David Osman 1807 - 'Robert Osman Serjt. 8th Regt. of Foot and Margaret Liddle had a Lawful son born May 23rd and Baptd. June 17th 1807'.
David Osman dies December 23rd, 1808, aged 18 months of 'Stopping' at Bo'ness.

Jane Osman 1816 - 'Robert Osman Labourer & Margaret Liddle had a Lawful daughter born Nov. 18th and Baptd. Dec. 1st. named Jane'.
Jane marries John Duff on December 10th, 1837 at Linlithgow.
She dies October 18th, 1879. Parents - Robert Osman (Labourer) & Margaret Liddle.

Elizabeth Osman (born c.1808) was a spouse/partner of John Fleming, she died March 16th, 1877. Age given as 60, parents listed as William Osman (Chelsea Pensioner) & Margaret Liddell. I Believe Elizabeth married John Brown (Mariner) on March 18th, 1828 in Bo'ness & had a daughter Margaret Brown in 1829. I do not know what happened to John or Margaret Brown, nor when Elizabeth married John Fleming and had her children with him by 1833. Birthplaces on Censuses - 1841 'Scotland'. 1851 'Montrose'. 1861 - 'Ntontrose, forfarsh'. 1871 - 'Montford, Forfar'. John Fleming was a Carter, died before 1856 and was born c.1801 in Dennyloanhead, accoding to the 1851 census in Glasgow.

Mary Osman. Married John Ballantyne, don't know when. 1841 - Birthplace - West Lothian. 1851 - Birthplace Bo'ness. Died January 29th, 1855 in Canongate. Her birthplace is given as - 'Field of Waterloo, Belgium'. Parents - Robert Osman (Soldier) & Margaret Riddell.


Keelan

[kjmck]

Robert Osman's parents were James Osman/Wooseman & Elizabeth Lester, and he was born in 1766 in Chiseldon, Wiltshire.

The name David crops up a couple of times. So maybe this is the name of Margaret's father? And the locations I have are Montrose & Bo'ness, though they are quite some distance apart.

 

[kjmck]

Is there a Port or something in Montrose that would have anything to do with Robert Osman being in the Military at that time?

[Forfarian]

Montrose is a port. Quite a large one, in fact.

[kjmck]

Montrose is a port. Quite a large one, in fact.

So, Robert Osman was a Serjeant at the time of his marriage to Margaret Liddle on 19/05/1805. And according to the record, Margaret was 'of this parish'. Would that necessarily mean that Margaret was born and bred there? Or could that still be used if she moved there at some point in her life?

Robert Osman was discharged from the military in 1814, I have his discharge papers. Robert & Margaret's child born after 1814, Jane, was baptised in 1816 in Bo'Ness. Still unsure what took them there, as its far away from Montrose.

[Forfarian]

And according to the record, Margaret was 'of this parish'. Would that necessarily mean that Margaret was born and bred there? Or could that still be used if she moved there at some point in her life?

No. It means that she was living in Montrose at the time of her marriage, but it doesn't mean that she was born there.

Robert Osman was discharged from the military in 1814, I have his discharge papers. Robert & Margaret's child born after 1814, Jane, was baptised in 1816 in Bo'Ness. Still unsure what took them there, as its far away from Montrose.

Maybe his regiment was stationed there when he was discharged?

[Rosinish]

"Mary Osman. Married John Ballantyne, don't know when. 1841 - Birthplace - West Lothian. 1851 - Birthplace Bo'ness. Died January 29th, 1855 in Canongate. Her birthplace is given as - 'Field of Waterloo, Belgium'. Parents - Robert Osman (Soldier) & Margaret Riddell."

Are either/both parents (deceased) on the 1855 DC?

Annie