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Kilwinning farm
« on: Friday 15 November 19 20:00 GMT (UK) »
Found the name 'Barrel Holes'  farm in the Kilwinning area while searching Shedden ancestors. It seems a strange name for a farm and wonder if could be an incorrect transcription. Has anybody heard of this name ? It would be around 1800 +-.
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Re: Kilwinning farm
« Reply #1 on: Friday 15 November 19 20:19 GMT (UK) »
I found a few mentions of "Hole" in this descriptive piece of writing.
It obviously refers to water.

I will now conclude my reminiscence of by gone days by bringing to your rememberance the dooking hole opposite the mill, further up the river the Cobblers Hole, where old cobbler Johnstone fell into the water while in the act of fishing along with Sanny Paterson of Lamont’s Row His body was carried down the river as far as the Lumford Bridge where it was found and brought back to the town for interment.
https://www.scottishcorpus.ac.uk/document/?documentid=1017

Unless the shape of the farmland was an elongated barrel shape - I have no idea what else the word "Barrel" could mean.

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Re: Kilwinning farm
« Reply #2 on: Friday 15 November 19 20:57 GMT (UK) »
Closest I can see is a referece to a farm called Bullerholes in Kilwinning (estate of Montomery). This is from the 1850s valuation rolls.

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Re: Kilwinning farm
« Reply #3 on: Friday 15 November 19 23:40 GMT (UK) »
Depending on what this place name relates to, are you able to view the original rather than relying on a transcription? Seeing the exact wording and context may help.  :-\


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Re: Kilwinning farm
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 16 November 19 09:25 GMT (UK) »
If it's handwritten, could it be a creative spelling or misreading of Barton Holm?

See https://maps.nls.uk/view/74400168 - enlarge the map and look on the east bank of the River Garnock south of Kilwinning and west of Irvine.

Still shown on the first edition of the six-inch Ordnance Survey map but no longer exists. See
https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/side-by-side/#zoom=15&lat=55.6334&lon=-4.6974&layers=5&right=BingHyb


Got it. Burrelholes. See https://maps.nls.uk/view/74400168 and enlarge. It's in the north bank of the Lugton Water, north-east of Kilwinning village and north of Mountgreenan. Shown as Bullerholes on the second edition of the 25-inch OS map - see https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/side-by-side/#zoom=16&lat=55.6753&lon=-4.6286&layers=168&right=BingHyb and there are still buildings there but it's not named on the modern maps.
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Re: Kilwinning farm
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 16 November 19 11:47 GMT (UK) »
Hello Everyone,

 Yes, I think it must be Burrellholes and will now get the birth certs as Rena suggested to be completely sure.

In my searching I came across a story for anyone with an interest in the Kilwinning area.
It's a short biography of a Robert Morrison (not my family interest ) and can be found at 'Scottish Corpus of Texts and Speeches Document 1017 - Notes on Kilwinning and Bio of said Robert.

Thanks for all the help. It's really appreciated.
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Re: Kilwinning farm
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 16 November 19 12:24 GMT (UK) »
Yes, I think it must be Burrellholes and will now get the birth certs as Rena suggested to be completely sure.
If it's before 1855, there are no birth certificates.

There will be baptism records, but these do not necessarily contain all the information you'd get on a birth certificate.
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Re: Kilwinning farm
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 16 November 19 15:03 GMT (UK) »
Thanks for reminding me, Forfarian, I could have been searching all night ! I have some info from FamilySearch and will see what a couple of marriage records from Scotlands people will produce. ;) ;)
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Re: Kilwinning farm
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 16 November 19 23:03 GMT (UK) »
Don't forget that FamilySearch is only an index. The originals sometimes contain information not transcribed into Family Search; they are available only at Scotland's People, or on microfilm in some LDS Family History Libraries.
Never trust anything you find online (especially submitted trees and transcriptions on Ancestry, MyHeritage, FindMyPast and other commercial web sites) unless it's an image of an original document - and even then be wary because errors can and do occur.