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« on: Thursday 21 November 19 23:50 GMT (UK) »
I am trying to clarify census results for this family
1901 census shows James Mitchell Lee and wife Julia Anna her m/s was Martin M 25jul1883 Belfast
UHF she is listed as John Anna ,James died 1910
also listed wrongly is John Evelya Anna female age 9 and Ana Kathleen William female age 4 along with brother James
The 1911 census has the sisters listed as Eselyn Anna female age 19 and Nora female age 14 with there mother Julia
on UHF I believe I have found them correctly as Julia Evelyn Anna recorded as J E Lee b1891 died 09sep1953 and a birth for Norah Kathleen Willison b09jul1896 father James Mitchell lee and mother Julia Martin  no death record that I can see or where the Willison came from.
thx for any help or opinion
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Re: lee family
« Reply #2 on: Friday 22 November 19 19:54 GMT (UK) »
Hi Sinann
I have reported the changes
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Re: lee family
« Reply #3 on: Monday 23 March 20 11:37 GMT (UK) »
Not sure if this is a long shot but I have a
Thomas Lee 1885
Married
Isabella McCargo 1883-1944

Children are
John Standish Lee 30/3/1914
James Lee 12/3/1920

All Antrim area
Let me know if these could match up to your lines
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Re: lee family
« Reply #4 on: Monday 23 March 20 17:12 GMT (UK) »
Not sure if this is a long shot but I have a
Thomas Lee 1885
Married
Isabella McCargo 1883-1944

Children are
John Standish Lee 30/3/1914
James Lee 12/3/1920

All Antrim area
Let me know if these could match up to your lines

Errrrhh, Thomas Lee married Ellen Halfpenny.
Marriage 1906
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1906/10141/5689941.pdf

John Standish 1914   MMN Halfpenny    #238
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1914/01414/1581143.pdf

From GRONI…. https://geni.nidirect.gov.uk/
U/1920/56/1007/43/328  James Lee   12th March 1920   Male   MMN Halfpenny    Belfast

Other children:
Joseph Patrick Isidore 1908   MMN Halfpenny    #60
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1909/01627/1651413.pdf

Thomas 1909    #229  (died 1909 – premature birth)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1909/01595/1641242.pdf
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1909/05446/4523916.pdf

Elizabeth 1910    #69
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1910/01552/1627776.pdf

Thomas Francis 1912    #333
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1912/01475/1601035.pdf

1911 census……..three born, two still living
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Clifton/Crumlin_Road/183765/
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai001529475/

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Re: lee family
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 24 March 20 17:19 GMT (UK) »
Hi
Thanks all for the info I haven't looked at this family for a few months will let you know of any connection

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Re: lee family
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 23 November 22 05:27 GMT (UK) »
My great grandfather, James Mitchell Lee, was a school master, in a state school I think. He died, age 50, on 27 October 1910 and is buried in Belfast City Cemetery. My great grandmother, Julia Anna Lee, was a teacher. She died at the age of 83 and is buried in the same grave, H2 33. The family lived at 140 Cliftonpark Avenue, Shankill, Belfast.

My paternal grandmother was born in Belfast in 1896. Her name was Norah Kathleen Willison Lee. I have her birth certificate. When her father died in 1910, she came to the U.S. at the age of 14. There is some thought that she sailed from Liverpool and arrived in Canada. I’m not sure where this information came from or if it is correct.

There were four children. James Mitchell Lee Jr., 1884-1937. He and his wife, Glyndys, are buried in a separate grave. They had no children. Julia Evelyn Anna, 1891-1953, is buried along side her parents. A son, Robert Bertram Fox, died at the age of two months in 1893. He too is buried with his parents. My grandmother was the youngest.

My grandparents married in Chicago. I have their marriage certificate. My father, Allan James Pierson Jr, was born in Chicago in 1916. He was the eldest of seven.

I don’t have any information prior to my great grandparents. The family was Presbyterian so I am assuming Scots-Irish.

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Re: lee family
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 24 November 22 02:04 GMT (UK) »
Popierson

Obviously you are familiar with https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/civil-search.jsp

so this is the burial you mention https://online.belfastcity.gov.uk/find-burial-records/BurialRecordDetails.aspx?RecordID=6279.35839
and this the headstone image https://belfastcity.plotbox.io/static/images/plots/belfastcity/115086/18849.jpg
from https://discovereverafter.com/search-results?search_first=julia&search_last=lee&p_sname=on&county=2

Census shows not only that Julia was a Schoolteacher but Evelyn a Monitoress 'a female student who helps keep order or assists a teacher in school'.

1911 census. Additional Pages: 2. image confirms house number as 140 Cliftonpark Avenue, a large Victorian terrace, is still there (just, was boarded up 2008 & 2 adjacent have been replaced if look back in time) https://goo.gl/maps/fohqSjh2oUos6GNT7.
The transcription errors on the names for both Julia & Nora mentioned previously by huey1 & Sinann [replies 1 & 2] have not been corrected for the 1901, obviously no one doing them since John Grenham stopped March 2019. https://www.johngrenham.com/blog/2019/03/25/my-census-correcting-comes-to-an-end/

Strange gap in births, though see there were no other children from GRONI index which includes mother's maiden surnames. James was in Belfast in the same area the entire time - confirmed from street directories on PRONI so whilst the Belfast Council burial & death cert for Robert shows Grays Hill, Bangor that must have been a very temporary posting (or summer holiday) as Street Directories record him at 71 Benwell Terrace, Oldpark Road 1892, 1894, 1895, 1896, 1897, 1899, 1900, 1901 + the daughter's births. Recorded as Principal of Argyle Place School from 1897.

James Mitchell Lee (Martin) 17 May 1884 at 60 Perth Street (off Old Lodge Road, behind Crumlin Road Courthouse).
Julia Evelyn Anna, Robert Bertram & Norah at 71 Benwell Terrace a block of terrace houses on the OLDPARK ROAD opposite Benwell Street (or Hillview Street as it is now).

# James Mitchell Lee & Julia Anna Martin married Eglinton Street Presbyterian 25 July 1883; fathers James Lee & James Martin, both full age = over 21.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1883/10938/5997453.pdf

"Return showing the Ages and Length of Service of National School Teachers in the service of the Commissioners of National Education on 31st March 1905, and where furnished, their places of education"
https://www.nationalarchives.ie/article/list-of-teachers-employed-by-the-commissioners-of-national-education-on-31-march-1905/
pdf page 7: Lee, James Mitchell, aged 45 yrs, 6 mths (on 31 Mar 1905). Length of Service 26 yrs, 7 mths. Educated MAGHERAFELT No2 Boys, Magherafelt. [Teacher] Training College = Marlborough Street [Dublin]. Serving Co. Antrim in Argyle Place as Principal = Argyle Place National School. [Magherafelt gives you bit more precise location than the 1901 census born Co. Derry].

Julia was Assistant Teacher same school, aged 49 yrs, 10 mths and educated Model School, Belfast; she did not attend a Teacher Training College but had served as a teacher for 34 yrs 4 months (longer than James so presumably a pupil teacher eg at 14-16).

URNEY Street (off Shankill Road) left hand side: Argyle Place Mixed N.S. - Principal, J. M. Lee then 2,4,6 etc / Surnames A-Z: Argyle Place Mixed N.S. - J. M. Lee, principal, Urney Street
https://www.lennonwylie.co.uk/tuvcomplete1907.htm Recorded as Principal there 1907, 1908, 1909, 1910 & 1912 Directories, after than someone else, so slight delay in the name change after his death.
So school was beside/behind Argyle Place Presbyterian Church on Shankill Road, with Argyle St on the other side of the church. Now = "West Kirk Presbyterian" & the two streets have disappeared either side of it https://goo.gl/maps/9nWPf7NW5Xi6rDR6A ]
 
The Education (Ireland) Act 1892 made attendance compulsory from ages 6 to 14 in urban districts, extended to rural districts by the Local Government (Ireland) Act 1898. However, there were many exemptions and enforcement was patchy. Previously pupils typically left 12-13.
Between 1843 and 1867, a network of 26 interdenominational District Model Schools was established
‘to promote the united education of Protestants and Roman Catholics in Common Schools; to exhibit the best examples of National Schools; and to give preparatory training to young teachers."
some lengthy background:
https://www.qub.ac.uk/sites/irishhistorylive/IrishHistoryResources/Shortarticlesandencyclopaediaentries/Encyclopaedia/LengthyEntries/Education/
https://mural.maynoothuniversity.ie/9689/1/TW-National-2016.pdf

National School Register records are held by PRONI - likely find your grandmothers in it, but is just name, age, residence, years attended & days attended + score in reading writing etc so won't reveal anything new.

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Re: lee family
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 24 November 22 06:01 GMT (UK) »
this is James Martin's death 5 Dec 1907 aged 76 at 140 Cliftonpark Avenue registered by son-in-law James M Lee.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1907/05516/4545931.pdf
The Belfast Telegraph 5 Dec 1907 has Martin - December 4, at the residence of his son-in-law, 140 Cliftonpark Avenue, James Martin. Funeral private. [James Mitchell Lee's notice is in Belfast Telegraph 28 Oct 1910 placed by widow 'Annie Lee', similarly brief]

Occupation fits on this census but not the age. James Martin aged 65 Flax-dresser, with sons Robert 39 & William 41.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Shankhill/Agnes_Street/947546/
It is him though and he is interred with wife Sarah Jane + sons James & Robert (a bachelor from 112 Upper Malvern St) in the City Cemetery https://online.belfastcity.gov.uk/find-burial-records/BurialRecordDetails.aspx?RecordID=6123.32904 in H2-34 with the Lees in adjacent H2-33 and with the Lee headstone image attached to both plots on Everafter.

189 Agnes Street (Sarah's address at death 1900) is 189. Martin, J., flax dresser in the 1901 Belfast Street Directory https://www.lennonwylie.co.uk/acomplete1901.htm
The LDS did not microfilm the backs of the 1901 census household return forms in the 1960's so we can't see if the actual house number differs from the enumerators reference.
James M Lee again registered her death.

She I think is Sarah Jane FOX with her age at death being inaccurate [also where Robert Bertram Fox got his 2nd forname on his birth, death & burial records 1893] This is their MARRIAGE 1853 at Cairncastle, Church of Ireland, north of Larne.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1853/09452/5424572.pdf

Also interred same plot is presumably their youngest son, with all the others born pre-1864:
James Fox Martin born 1st Sep 1870 at 12 Canning's Court, father James Martin (Plasterer!), mother Sarah Jane nee Fox [death 1906 aged 30 on burial or 32 on GRO] He was married according to the death but informant was the Infirmary, have not identified a marriage.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1870/03338/2223536.pdf
and death at Belfast Workhouse Infirmary of Typhoid (subsequently City Hospital, 51 Lisburn Road) https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1906/05549/4556751.pdf

Although the birth registration says Plasterer - James Martin, Flaxdresser is recorded in 1863/4 and 1865 Street Directories at 12 CanningS Court, off Shankill Road
https://streetdirectories.proni.gov.uk/media/Mq-ccDFAvuy3xnMQsr5Xng..a
and 1870 at 12 Canning Court https://streetdirectories.proni.gov.uk/media/wq7aoIKVYZ74FeKLt8fmvg..a
He had moved by 1877 (perhaps to to 100 Cupar Street) but 1880, 1884, 1887 was at 209 Agnes Street https://streetdirectories.proni.gov.uk/media/VvdBwB5pFk3v6GAx7XsXrQ..a
and 1890, 1892 & 1895 was living at 189 Agnes Street
https://streetdirectories.proni.gov.uk/media/59P2N5fF4LFLa8F_fjDk2g..a