Engilly or Angila

[Kat_C]

James (something like Engilly)  and Mary have daughters Margaret b 1840 and Johanna b. 1844 in Ireland before moving to Massachusetts, USA.  Johanna uses the spelling Engilly in the US by 1862 when she married an ex-Cork (maybe) man named Maurice (O')Sullivan in Lawrence, MA.  The families are Catholic.  James is not in the 1865 US census, but Mary Engily is and listed as a widow born 1805. Mary might have lived in Chelsea, MA in 1863 with the Sullivans.  She is in Lawrence, MA in 1865, but dau Margaret died in Lowell, MA in 1860 at age 20.  I can not get to an 1850 or 1860 census for Essex county and even Sullivan is misspelled in 1865.  Johanna's death records say James Angila and Mary Bowlar are her parents.   Co. Cork has some Bowlar families, but I have no idea how James' last name is spelled and where that name might be found in Ireland.  Does anyone have a clue?

[Sinann]

Going by the sound I wonder if it could be an attempt at McEnally with the Mc dropped, not a name found much in Cork though.

[Kat_C]

Thank you.  I will give that a try and see if it leads anywhere,

[Wexflyer]

James (something like Engilly)  and Mary have daughters Margaret b 1840 and Johanna b. 1844 in Ireland before moving to Massachusetts, USA.  Johanna uses the spelling Engilly in the US by 1862 when she married an ex-Cork (maybe) man named Maurice (O')Sullivan in Lawrence, MA.  The families are Catholic.  James is not in the 1865 US census, but Mary Engily is and listed as a widow born 1805. Mary might have lived in Chelsea, MA in 1863 with the Sullivans.  She is in Lawrence, MA in 1865, but dau Margaret died in Lowell, MA in 1860 at age 20.  I can not get to an 1850 or 1860 census for Essex county and even Sullivan is misspelled in 1865.  Johanna's death records say James Angila and Mary Bowlar are her parents.   Co. Cork has some Bowlar families, but I have no idea how James' last name is spelled and where that name might be found in Ireland.  Does anyone have a clue?

Have you found records for the family in Ireland? Or is everything from the US, where the spelling is apparently distorted?

[Kat_C]

I haven't found anything close to the name in any Irish record.  Just now, it has been suggested that McAnally or Angley may be the original Irish spelling.  There is no reason to think they may be from Cork or Tyrone (where many from Lowell, MA came from), but Limerick has been suggested.  It has both Bowlars and Angleys, which is very promising.  If I can't find the family or both surnames near each other in church records, I might be able to find distant DNA links to a particular area.  Cork and Tyrone have shown up in the few on-line DNA trees and they appear to be the homelands of Sullivans and McCuskers.  So the DNA method vaguely works.

[BallyaltikilliganG]

have you tried
https://www.familysearch.org/search/record/results?givenname=james&surname=angila&birth_place=ireland&marriage_place=US&count=100&offset=0
or
https://www.familysearch.org/search/record/results?givenname=james&surname=angilly&record_country=Ireland&count=100&offset=0

then I would try http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/search/tab/index.jsp

[Wexflyer]

Thomas Anglan and Mary Bowler had a child Ellen, baptized parish of Castlemagner, Co. Cork, 10/11/1833.

[Wexflyer]

Quite a lot of Anglin/Anglum/Anglum possibilities with father James and mother Mary. But none with Mary Bower and father James, that I see.

[Kat_C]

Familysearch is too busy right now.    That is the right marriage certificate though, but James may have died in Ireland. A Tithe listing implies money or maybe 20 acres, I thought, which sounds unpromising, but I saw nothing there. I've been to MA Vitals. No death record for James.  Johanna 15 and Mary 60 (born 1799!) Engley arrived on the Neptune June 9, 1859.   No Margaret/Maggie/etc, so she must have gone to NY first? I was hoping they followed family members, but I've tried every spelling in MA Vitals. Only one Engley in Lawrence and he is not in familysearch.   They may not have become US citizens.  I finally found the death record  -Mary Angelia, died 1880 in Lawrence, MA.  Her parents were John Bowler and Mary.  Another spelling, but the same pattern.  I will try Irish church records tomorrow.