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Trying to locate place name in Sanquhar parish
« on: Wednesday 11 December 19 01:37 GMT (UK) »
I think I've found the baptism record for my great(x5)-grandmother, but cannot pinpoint the placename it gives. The writing is fairly clear and it looks like "Clenry", but I can't seem to find anything by that name or similar on old maps. Does anyone have any ideas?
Ancestral names: Lewis, Watson, Hetherington, Barclay, Clark, Regan, Hunter, Murray, Robson, Todd, Carney, Comerford, Urwin, Rayson, White, Purves, Biggins, Wilson, Gibson, Graham, Curry, Kennedy, Greenlaw, Waldie, Armstrong, Hodgson, Harle, Wild, Monkhouse, Donald, Allen, Bowie, Cowe, Ogilvie, Barnes, Pattinson, Williamson, Hogg, Denholm, Kirkwood and Hewitt

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Re: Trying to locate place name in Sanquhar parish
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 11 December 19 02:18 GMT (UK) »
What's the date?

Can you post a snip with surrounding text for us to look at ourselves please?

Annie

Add..."on the Site of the Cairn Stands a Trig [Trigonometrical] Station called Clenry. after the farm on which it Stands"

I also found Clenry as a surname.

Add...House showing here (scroll down)

http://www.walkscotland.plus.com/Galloway/pages/Rhinns/clenrie/rhnsclen.htm

Add...No. 39 on this medieval map;

https://scotlandsplaces.gov.uk/digital-volumes/published-gazetteers-and-atlases/atlas-scottish-history-1707/atlas-scottish-history-1707/469
South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie

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Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

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Re: Trying to locate place name in Sanquhar parish
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 11 December 19 10:33 GMT (UK) »
It is now called Glenrae.

It's marked as Clenrie in 1807 on this map
https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=13&lat=55.4436&lon=-3.8318&layers=123969245&b=1

There are references to Glenrae in the Ordnance Survey name book, with various alternatives and variant spellings: Clanrae Brae, Clanery Bank, Glenrae Brae, Clanery Brae, and Clennery.

https://scotlandsplaces.gov.uk/digital-volumes/ordnance-survey-name-books/dumfriesshire-os-name-books-1848-1858/dumfriesshire-volume-44/22

See https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/side-by-side/#zoom=16&lat=55.4346&lon=-3.8483&layers=6&right=BingHyb

Some photographs here http://www.geograph.org.uk/gridref/ns8217
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Re: Trying to locate place name in Sanquhar parish
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 12 December 19 02:39 GMT (UK) »
What's the date?

Can you post a snip with surrounding text for us to look at ourselves please?
1775. And sure thing, I've attached the entry below.

Unfortunately I don't think the info adds you edited in are applicable. I googled the text you quoted about the Trig Station and it's referring to somewhere in Wigtownshire. I also examined the map on the walkscotland link and it points to a house a few miles west of St John's Town of Dalry in Kirkcudbrightshire. The medieval map details the same place. Thanks for the effort though.
Ancestral names: Lewis, Watson, Hetherington, Barclay, Clark, Regan, Hunter, Murray, Robson, Todd, Carney, Comerford, Urwin, Rayson, White, Purves, Biggins, Wilson, Gibson, Graham, Curry, Kennedy, Greenlaw, Waldie, Armstrong, Hodgson, Harle, Wild, Monkhouse, Donald, Allen, Bowie, Cowe, Ogilvie, Barnes, Pattinson, Williamson, Hogg, Denholm, Kirkwood and Hewitt

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Re: Trying to locate place name in Sanquhar parish
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 12 December 19 03:19 GMT (UK) »
It is now called Glenrae.

It's marked as Clenrie in 1807 on this map
https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=13&lat=55.4436&lon=-3.8318&layers=123969245&b=1

There are references to Glenrae in the Ordnance Survey name book, with various alternatives and variant spellings: Clanrae Brae, Clanery Bank, Glenrae Brae, Clanery Brae, and Clennery.

https://scotlandsplaces.gov.uk/digital-volumes/ordnance-survey-name-books/dumfriesshire-os-name-books-1848-1858/dumfriesshire-volume-44/22

See https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/side-by-side/#zoom=16&lat=55.4346&lon=-3.8483&layers=6&right=BingHyb

Some photographs here http://www.geograph.org.uk/gridref/ns8217
Interesting. That looks like it might be it, or at least it's in the right area. The map in your first link puts Clenrie between Whitecleugh and Clackleith, so I'm guessing it was somewhere around where Spango and Nether Whitecleuch is now? I can find a reference to a Glenrae Castle in that area too, could there have been a settlement there in the late 18th century?
Ancestral names: Lewis, Watson, Hetherington, Barclay, Clark, Regan, Hunter, Murray, Robson, Todd, Carney, Comerford, Urwin, Rayson, White, Purves, Biggins, Wilson, Gibson, Graham, Curry, Kennedy, Greenlaw, Waldie, Armstrong, Hodgson, Harle, Wild, Monkhouse, Donald, Allen, Bowie, Cowe, Ogilvie, Barnes, Pattinson, Williamson, Hogg, Denholm, Kirkwood and Hewitt

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Re: Trying to locate place name in Sanquhar parish
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 12 December 19 09:09 GMT (UK) »
Interesting. That looks like it might be it, or at least it's in the right area. The map in your first link puts Clenrie between Whitecleugh and Clackleith, so I'm guessing it was somewhere around where Spango and Nether Whitecleuch is now? I can find a reference to a Glenrae Castle in that area too, could there have been a settlement there in the late 18th century?
Yes. 

The variant spellings listed in the second link make it clear enough that Glenrae is an alternative spelling of Clennery. So you have a complete series of links back from the current version Glenrae Brae <- Clanrae Brae <- Clanery Brae <- Clennery <- Clenrie back to Clenry. It is in the parish of Sanquhar, so I don't think there can be any doubt that this is the place you are looking for.

Did you look at the map in the third link, which shows Glenrae Brae just up the Wanlock Water from Spango Bridge opposite Clackleith?

The map in the fourth link shows Glenrae Brae, Clackleith and Spango Bridge.

Glenrae Castle was a short distance north-east of Spango Bridge, opposite Spango and towards Nether Whitecleuch. See
https://canmore.org.uk/site/46400/glenrae-castle and
https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/side-by-side/#zoom=16&lat=55.4512&lon=-3.8478&layers=6&right=BingHyb

See also https://scotlandsplaces.gov.uk/digital-volumes/ordnance-survey-name-books/dumfriesshire-os-name-books-1848-1858/dumfriesshire-volume-44/7 which lists Glenrae Castle and a further selection of variant spellings of Glenrae/Clenry.
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Re: Trying to locate place name in Sanquhar parish
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 12 December 19 19:01 GMT (UK) »
Thanks for all the help, Forfarian  :)
Ancestral names: Lewis, Watson, Hetherington, Barclay, Clark, Regan, Hunter, Murray, Robson, Todd, Carney, Comerford, Urwin, Rayson, White, Purves, Biggins, Wilson, Gibson, Graham, Curry, Kennedy, Greenlaw, Waldie, Armstrong, Hodgson, Harle, Wild, Monkhouse, Donald, Allen, Bowie, Cowe, Ogilvie, Barnes, Pattinson, Williamson, Hogg, Denholm, Kirkwood and Hewitt

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