Joseph McDowell Ardrossan

[Del 80]

For some reason, I have her death as 16th April 1944 in Co. Down.....I don't know where I got it from, and think it may be incorrect......

[rosie17]

Have you looked at the records on the Irish site I think this is her father's death 1912
John Carlisle age 61 Moneyslane Downpatrick  ..Maybe if you can find his marriage it will give you a better idea when she was born

Rosie

[rosie17]

Possible marriage for John Carlisle 10/10/1867 Moneyslane Downpatrick
To a Elizabth Magowan

Rosie

[q98]

Following Death Intimation extracted from  ayrshire-roots.co.uk  . It appears to support the premise of no children as it does not indicate “father of ..”

McDowell   Joseph   05 01 1934   Western Infirmary, Glasgow.   D   Husband of Elizabeth Carlise. 4, Glasgow Street, Ardrossan

N.B. The date indicated is the date of publication of the local newspaper, NOT the occurrence.

[rosie17]

Following Death Intimation extracted from  ayrshire-roots.co.uk  . It appears to support the premise of no children as it does not indicate “father of ..”

McDowell   Joseph   05 01 1934   Western Infirmary, Glasgow.   D   Husband of Elizabeth Carlise. 4, Glasgow Street, Ardrossan

N.B. The date indicated is the date of publication of the local newspaper, NOT the occurrence.

Good find q98   

[ColC]

I guess this is Joseph & his sister, I just wondered if he had been married earlier, before moving to Ayrshire. There are a number of births in County Down, father Joseph?

Joseph Mc Dowell
Birth Date: 1 Aug 1868
Down, Ireland
Hugh Mc Dowell
Anne Smyth

Susanna Mcdowell
Birth Date: 13 Jan 1876
Birthplace: Downpatrick, Down, Ireland
Hugh Mcdowell
Anne Mcdowell Smyth

Colin

[Del 80]

Thanks Rosie, Colin, and q98.....it looks increasingly unlikely that Joseph and Elizabeth had any children.....I am now looking into Joseph's siblings, Susannah 1876-1928, William 1871-,  Robert 1866-, and possibly William John 1864-....we don't think that the brothers ever came to Scotland....Susannah we know quite a bit about, she was my wife's Great Grandmother and lived in Ardrossan............ 

[Del 80]

Thanks Colin, yes that's them.....I have a William John McDowell born Ireland 1863 / 64, and married to an Elizabeth BLACK....they are on the 1911 census, with quite a few children, given as boarders living with a Joseph Black......however, I now see that there are several deaths for William John McDowell's, most notably one in 1865 at Banbridge Co. Down......

[MonicaL]

From the details Rosie found for the 1920 marriage, wonder if this is Elizabeth's birth in 1889 in Moneylane. Same Townland as the marriage.

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1887/02564/1948172.pdf

Monica