Joseph Slater born circa 1820 Bilston

[artifis]

In all of the censuses 1851 to 1891 Joseph is recorded as have been born in Bilston with his birth year as 1820.  That is also the year of birth on his death certificate.

I have been looking for a birth/baptism for him at Bilston in 1820 and have come up with a confusing answer:

Family 1:
   Samuel born 15 Nov 1807, baptised 26 Aug 1826 at Cann Lane and Ettingshaw Wesleyn, Bilston
   Joseph born 21 Feb 1820, baptised 26 Aug 1820 at ditto
   Elizabeth born 15 Aug 1826, baptised 26 Aug 1826 at ditto
 
Family 2:
   Joseph born 27 Feb 1820, baptised 18 May 1820 at Bilston – no church recorded.
   No siblings found that tie in with this Joseph.
 
Family 3:
   Samuel born 15 Nov 1817, baptised 18 May 1834 at St. Leonard, Bilston
   Joseph born ?, baptised 18 May 1834 at ditto
   Elizabeth born 16 August 1826, baptised 18 May 1834 at ditto

I suspect that famlies 1 and 3 are the same with a single day difference for Elizabeth's birth day but with initially baptisms en-mass at the Wesleyn Chapel/Church in 1826 and the re-baptisms in the Anglican church of St Leonard in 1834.

I also suspect that the Joseph in family 2 where there's no siblings listed is the one where there's no birth record in family 3 .

In all cases the parents are listed as Joseph and Mary.

Samuel's birth year in family 1 as 1807 might be a transcription error and really 1817 as in family 3.  Similarly Joseph's birth day in families 1 and 2.

I think that the children's names sequence and the age difference between children being the same is an indication that they are the same family.

Any thoughts please, am I totally barking up the wrong tree?

[CaroleW]

Does he give Joseph as his fathers name on his marriage cert

[artifis]

I'm researching Joseph for someone else and trying to keep the costs of certificates down for them so we haven't sent for the marriage certificate yet, I was hoping that maybe I could resolve his parentage without but I think we'll have to after Christmas.

He married Sarah Banks in 1845 aged 25 so he should be in the 1841 census but not found he there yet, leastways not definitely.

[Comberton]

Some information on the 1845 wedding

Wolverhampton Chronicle & Staffordshire Advertiser
24th December 1845
Marriages
On the 16th instant, at the Baptist Chapel, Little London,
Willenhall, by Mr Bonner of Bilston, Baptist Minister, Mr Joseph Slater to Miss Sarah Banks, both of Hall Fields, Bilston.

[artifis]

Thanks Comberton that gives us the actual date of his probable second marriage. 

We suspect that he was previously married to a Mary ? around 1840 but that's ongoing research - we're going to get the Joseph/Sarah marriage certificate to see if he's recorded as a widower.  If he did we have a candidate plus three possible children but none of those are living with Joseph and Sarah in the 1851 and subsequent censuses - I have found one of my ancestors around this period who 'dumped' his children on his deceased wife's parents and went off and raised another family with another wife, none of the original family were recorded in any of his census return records.

[ciderdrinker]

Hello
This looks like the family on the 1841 census at Hall Fields Bilston
Joseph Slater 56 iron lab y
Mary 55 y
Josh 20 iron lab y
Elizabeth 15 y
Pheobe Baker 5? servant y

Joseph senior leaves a Will in 26.8.1848. late of Hall fields forgeman
Exec son Samuel Slater   roll turner West Bromwich and William Griffiths blacksmith Hall fields.

Died 16.11.1847
To wife Mary 2 plots of land in Hall Fields -751 yards and 6 dwelling houses with brew houses etc for life and then to be divided equally between his children who he does not name .

So it does look like Joseph and Mary where his parents.
Can't find details of Joseph juniors 1845 marriage so far.

Sister Elizabeth Slater married Charlie Adams at Darlaston 2.11.1845

The Anglican baptism for Joseph gives Feb 27th 1820 as his birth ,the Wesleyan 21st but I do think you are right and it is the same family as the DOB Samuel matches and Elizabeth's only i day out.
The Weselyian says Joseph is a hammerman and the Anglican labourer but the latter would fit wih the 1841 census and it's reasonable to assume over the years Joseph senior's job may have altered a bit.


Ciderdrinker

[ciderdrinker]

1851 Hall Fields
Mary Slater widow 69 Stone
Reuban 5 grandson West Bromwich
Joseph  1 grandson West Bromwich

1861 3 Bilston St Bilston
John Baker 53 engineer Iron Bridge Salop
Ellen 51 Bilston
Ellen 23 Bilston
Levi 16 lab in ironworks
Edwin 14 scholar
Sophia 11
Alfred 9
Mary Slater wid mother in law 78 Stone
Joseph grandson 11 iron moulder West Bromwich

Ellen married John baker at Walsall  29.12.1828.

Other possible children Joseph and Mary
Eliza born  Feb 8th 1816 bapt 4.7.1834 Hallfields at st Leonards
Ellen  born  7 June 1809 bapt 25th at Bagnall  by affidavit.Which is weird ?
William 25.6.1809 age 2  at Bagnall the same entry
Sarah  8/22 June 1811 at Bagnall


Ciderdrinker

[artifis]

Thanks Ciderdrinker, some very useful information. Comberton found the notice of the 1845 wedding giving the actual date, I've got the GRO reference so will order the marriage certificate after Christmas.

I am confused about the censuses though as I have a Joseph aged 1 s/o Joseph & Sarah in the 1851 census living with them at Hallfields.  I think the Joseph you found is the son of another of Mary's children - I will try and find out who.

This family is really confusing and I suspect there was a number of Slaters all living close to one another.  Obviously Joseph was an important name in the family.

[ciderdrinker]

Good Morning
Yes you're right that Joseph age 1 is not the same one as the son of Joseph and Sarah.
He is the son of Mary's other son Samuel and his wife Maria Corbet.
The couple married at Sedgley 23.12.1839.
Samuel Slater roll turner of Bilston  and Maria of Sedgley d of Thomas Corbet carter.

Children Dinah bapt Bilston St L 25.10.1840 buried Tipton 29.5.1842 of Great Bridge
Mary Jane  bapt 15.10.1843 at St L Bilston
Joseph born and died Sep qtr 1845 at West Bromwich burial ? 31.7.1845 at Christ Church age 1 mth.
Reuben birth reg Sep 1846 West Bromwich
Alice Maria on birth reg Maude on bapt at All Saints West Bromwich born 7.2.1848 bapt 4.11.1849 of Swan Village turner
Joseph bapt at the same time  birth Sep qtr 1849

Maria their mother was buried at Christ Church West Bromwich age 29 years 19.11.1849 of Ryders Green.

As you say they are living in Hall fields in 1841
Samuel  20 iron lab y
Maria 20 y
Dinah 8mths y
They are living next door to Joseph and Mary but I still managed to miss them .Sorry !

Possible burial for Joseph Slater the elder at Swan Bank Wesleyan 1.9.1847 age 66 years.
(The Probate must have been a bit later.)

Alice the daughter of Samuel and Maria seems to be with another member of the family in Birmingham St Wolverhampton in 1851

Isaiah Whitehouse 39 key maker Willenhall
Sarah  39 Stanley Staffs
Joseph 11 Willenhall
Mary Ann 9
Isaiah 1
Alfred 1 mth
Alice Slater 4 visitor West Bromwich
Charles Nichols 22 lodger key maker Sutton
Joseph Hodson 22 same Willenhall
Sameul James 21 servant Wednesfield

Sarah White house was a Miss Slater from her son Isaiah's birth reg so she would be another child of Joseph and Mary.
Although I can't spot the actual marriage.

It looks like Mary Slater ,Joseph  Senior 's wife died Dec qtr 1865 Wolverhampton age 83 Buried 10 Dec 1865 at Wood St Cemetery.Widow Cannon St Willenhall which is where  the Isiah and Sarah Whitehouse are living in 1861,(extra son Laurence age 9 is with them).


Ciderdrinker