Jane Shepherd and parents/siblings prior to 1839

[Gibel]

Right i’ll Just check Shepherds and Webster’s in the RC registers and look for bmd in Sefton.

[jonwarrn]

If Mary wasn't baptized as a Roman Catholic..and this may end up as a gigantic red herring
A baptism at Sefton, 17 August 1788, Mary daughter of Edward and Mary Webster. Born 23 July 1788, living at Ford.
(Father Edward is good, as we know Robert and Mary Shepherd had a son Edward)

Looking at siblings, the first on the list (I am going on Lancashire OPC) is Esther, bap 18 July 1784, born 11 June.
Have to be careful here, because there is another Esther from Ford/Sefton, different parents, in 1787.
Anyway, a marriage at Sefton, 2 December 1805
Joseph Shepherd + Esther Webster

Baptisms of children?
Joseph and Esther Shepherd in Litherland, Sefton in 1841
piece 518 book 5 folio 10 page 12
Image here
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-99GY-2L3R?i=104&cat=513674

1851, Litherland
Esther Shepherd is 67, born Ford. Husband Joseph is still alive. Also 67, born Lunt.
Their daughter Esther must have married a Harrison (Richard in 1849, but I think probably not a relation of your Robert though)
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MQ25-7YT

Esther Shepherd seems to have died in 1854, age 70. Buried 1 Nov at Sefton. Abode Litherland.
Image  on FamilySearch
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-D514-HT?i=280

Joseph Shepherd - there is a burial in Sefton, 3 June 1860, age 76. Abode Litherland
For Joseph, Lancashire OPC says "Roman written in Ministers column"
Image on FamilySearch
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-D517-YL

[jonwarrn]

Could be falling apart already!
A Joseph Shepherd bap Sefton to James and Jane in 1785. Abode Lunt.
Not a Catholic record, but could he be the man who later married Esther Webster?
A possible sibling for him is Priscilla, bap January 1792 (abode Thornton)
Which is interesting as Joseph and Esther had a 22 year old Priscilla with them in 1841, presumably their daughter.

No Robert indexed to James and Jane in Sefton. But I suppose they may have had one baptized in a catholic place of worship (here's hoping!). He'd have to be just after Priscilla.

But probably then Joseph Shepherd marrying Esther Webster will turn out to be coincidence.

[Tickettyboo]

Apologies for not replying before now jonw65. The living have been demanding my attention :-)

Thank you, I've saved that info, as you say, it may not be the right people but you never know what else may turn up in time that will either confirm or deny it.

Boo

[Gibel]

I've done a bit of research for you and recorded all the Monumental Inscriptions of Websters and Shepherds in Sefton Grave. Sometime I'll marry them up to the burials

Ince Blundell RC Registers
1785 – 1861 Baptisms only
No Webster or Shepherd baptised
William Webster confirmed 8 October 1844

Little Crosby RC
1839 – 1856
Baptisms, Marriages and Burials
No entries for Shepherd or Webster

Great Crosby St Peter and St Paul
Marriages 1827 – 1932
Nothing relevant

Sefton Parish Church (Church of England)
Monumental Inscriptions
A2/106
3BRIHS
The burial place of John Shepherd of Litherland who died 21 March 1804 aged 47. No entries in register for 1804.
Ann Shepherd the wife of John Shepherd who did the 7 June 1826 aged 52 years (120754)
Also Catherine Lurtin who died 26 August 1831 aged 65 (121068)

A2/144
Ellen Shepherd
In memory of Esther Shepherd, wife of Joseph Shepherd of Litherland, who departed this life 30 Oct 1854 aged 70 years (131218)
She feels no pain, she fears no want. Her portion is all that God can Grant. To see the Saviour as he is. And dwell in Heaven with Him and His.
Also of Joseph Shepherd who departed this life June 1 1860 aged 78 years (140137)
Also of Albert great grandson of the above Joseph Shepherd died 23rd Auhust 1904. Aged 3 months. (170201)

Joseph Shepherd 4 breadths
A2/184 3 Br
William Webster’s burying place of Ince
A3/65 2 BR
The burial place of Tho’ Webster of Wavertree (NIR)
D3 4Br
The burial place of James Harrison of Ince (120213) and John Webster of Great Crosby (121240)
In memory of Sarah the beloved wife of William Harrison who departed this life Aprll 9th 1887 aged 45 years ( 150654 %4 in Burial Register)
Also of the above William Harrison who departed this life 25th April 1900 aged 71 years 170053)

D18 Flatstone covered over
Affectionate remembrance of Sarah Webster of Sefton who departed this life April 18th 1869 aged 58 years (NIR)
Also Mary relist of Joseph Webster who departed this life September 7th 1871 aged 61 years (141256)
Also of Joseph eldest son of the above who departed this life November 9th 1879 aged 39 years (see 150164 burial register records buried 12th March 1879
Also Margaret the beloved wife of Edward Webster who departed this life September 28 1879 (150164)
Also of Samuel Webster son of Joseph Webster Snr who died 10 Dec 1904 aged 53 Years (170179)
D20 In loving memory of Edward the beloved husband of Elizabeth Webster died 28th October 1918 aged 74 years (180065) Free from pain
D22
Sacred to the memory of Mary wife of Edward Webster of Litherland who departed this life January 16th 1855 aged 68 years (131237)
Also Ellen Jane daughter of Geo and Alice Houghton who departed this life August 30th 1867 aged 7 months (140819)
Also of the above Edward Webster who departed this life April 23rd 1860 aged 73 years (140129)
Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord
D23

If any belong to you I can go and take a photo for you sometime.

The burials will follow sometime soon and hopefully I'll get a chance to look at St Peter and St Pau RC Graveyard records Great Crosby.

The long numbers on the MIs I have given you refer to the number in the burials transcription. A gentleman spent years probably transcribing and editing everything.

Hope some of it may help

[Gibel]

Sorry didn't copy the last page!

D23
Sacred to the memory of Mary daughter of Edward and Mary Webster of Litherland died February 8th 1831 aged 23 years (140819)
Friends forbear to mourn and weep, I’m in my grave and soundly sleep. I’ve left a sinful world behind, A crown of glory for to find
Also of Sarah Bowen who died at Crosby May 28th 1881 aged 68 years (150298)
Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was and the spirit return unto God who gave it
D24 Here lieth the remains of Catherine wife of Edward Webster of Ford who died 30th Dec 1779 aged 25 years (see 022655 in burial register)
Here alos rest the remains if Esther wife of |Josepph Webster late of Ford who departed this life the 6th of Jan 1783 aged 61 years (BT106)
And also here lies the remains of the said Joseph ebster who departed this life the 5th of April 1790 (see 110286 buried 15 April 1789)
Also of Ellen Webster relict of Joseph Wrbster Jun who died the 26 February 1901 aged 58 years (170080)
F68
Here lies the remains of George Webster who died in this parish on the 11th day of Augsut 1849 in the 39th year of his age leaving a widow and two infant sons to lament their loss (130739)
Finally brethren farewell. Be perfect, be of good comfort, be of one mind, live in peace: and the God of love and peace be with you.
Also of Jane the beloved wife of George Webster who died on the 9th day of October in the 57th year of her age (140965)
Alos of Thomas Webster son of the above who died Octiber 18th 1892 aged 45 years (160154)
G78 2 Br
Joseph and Margaret Webster of Litherland their burying ground
The burial ground of Robert Webster of Liverpool (NIR)
In memory of Joseph Webster who died 0ct 14th 1877 aged 69 years  (150042)
Also of Margaret Webster who died September 28th aged 67 years (150163)
M93
In loving memory of Captain Frederick Cook Shepherd late Leyland Lin died April 10th 1920 aged 71 years (180142 ) The inscription on the stone faces west)

[Tickettyboo]

goodness me Gibel, that's way more than a 'bit of research' Thank you!

It will take me a while to digest it all , but have saved it to peruse.

The lack of Shepherd baptisms is a puzzle, Jane Shepherd, who I believe is the daughter of Robert Shepherd and Mary (likely nee Webster, consistently says she was born in Litherland on the later census returns and I'd hoped to be able to confirm that and get confirmation of her parents.

Will give it all my attention and try once again to explore other parishes etc.

I really appreciate the time and effort you have gone to, thank you again.

Boo

[johna.morgan]

Hi,

I hope you don't mind me joining this conversation. My wife is descended from Alice Shepherd b.1857 daughter of Robert Shepherd and Ellen Cowduck (Coldock/Coledock/Couldock are alternative spellings). Alice married William Frederick Shearwood 3 April 1876 at St Chrysotoms Church, Everton. William was born in Barrow-on-Humber, Lincolnshire and moved to Liverpool with his father of the same name, mother, brother and sisters. The family lived mainly in Everton, but William moved to Crosby after marrying. All Shearwood's in the locality are descended from this family.

Ellen Cowduck was the daughter of Thomas Coldock and Ann Webster. I noticed a few references to Webster in this thread and wondered whether it was through this connection that Robert was introduced to Ellen after the death of his first wife Margaret Cross. Also the Coldock family moved around quite a bit and have links to Fazackerley, Walton and Kirkby, which crop up quite a bit in the conversation.

I've been searching for the ancestors of Robert for a number of years without much success and if it is ok I'd like to incorporate some of what I have read here into our family tree. We are residents of Sefton.

I also look forward to hearing the thoughts of the rest of the group.

Kind Regards
John