Here of sufferance!!!

[maggiefishblue]

Hi Arranroots,

Could you let me have a copy of Wiiliam on the 1891 census please?

William is the brother of my gggrandmother, I think!  He was married to a Sarah Boulton.  I have found a Sarah Dowdeswell on the 1881 census and am going to do some more research on her to see if I can find out if she and Sarah Boulton are the same person.  She is down as a widow but with an old reprobate like William as a husband, maybe she felt that was the appropriate title to give!!!! It might also explain the reason William and Emma aren't married in 1881 - or am I letting my imagination run wild here?!!!   

Kind regards,
Maggie 

[Arranroots]

certainly can, Maggie - bear with me...

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[Arranroots]

Here he is

RG12/2038   91   13

DOWDESWELL William H M 74 - farm bailiff - Glos Kineton
DOWDESWELL Emma W M 34 - Glos Cheltenham (Gotherington is near Cheltenham)
DOWDESWELL William son 11 - Glos Cutsdean
DOWDESWELL John son 10 - ditto
DOWDESWELL Elizabeth dau 6 - Stow on the Wold
SMITH William nephew U 22 - blacksmith - Glos Yaunton (Naunton?)

Address: South Hill Farm, Lower Swell, Gloucestershire

Note that some of these villages "move" between Glos & Worcs in different censuses.

kind regards, Arranroots 

(BTW is that his son born Swell fields I can see on this census? Living Castle Eaton)

[maggiefishblue]

Hi Arranroots,

Thanks for that - isi nephew William comes from Naunton I think.  That's where the Smiths were living at the time. 

Please could I have the census entry for the possible son living in Castle Eaton.  It might be his son or it might be his nephew - it's quite a large family and they all tended to originate from Temple Guiting, Swell Fields (which I think was Lower Swell?) and that area.

Thanks for the information about the two counties - I did wonder...

[Arranroots]

Ok here is another boundary area for you, this time Wiltshire.  (I used to pass this farm on the school bus every day!)

RG12/1579   104  5

DOWDESWELL William H M 37 - farmer - Glos Swellfields
DOWDESWELL Sarah E W M 31 - Wilts Blunsdon
DOWDESWELL Gertrude H dau 4 - Wilts Castle Eaton
DOWDESWELL Maud E dau 7 months - ditto
MILLS Susannah serv 12 - gen serv dom - Gloucestershire Barrington Down

Address: Castle Eaton Farm, Castle Eaton, Wiltshire

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[maggiefishblue]

Thanks again Arranroots 

William H Dowdeswell appears to be the son of Charles Dowdeswell - William's (of sufferance fame) nephew. 

I have him on the 1881 census living with his father at Pinnock Farm, Didbrook, Glos. (he is one of the ones with A/L after his occupation which you were helping me to solve in an earlier posting!)

He appears to be a farmer in his own right now.  I think they must have been tenant farmers because they certainly move around the area a bit - cross county too!!!

Is the farm still there today?  You say that you passed it on the school bus - it's really good to think of these places in 'real' terms rather than as names on a census form.  There I go getting carried away again ....
Thanks again for your help.
Maggie

[Tricia_2]

I know that this is an old thread but I only just found it - and was struck by a coincidence.

In 1851, Charles A White was living at Scarborough Farm with his housekeeper, Catherine Jeynes - and they too later married. They were closer in age, though, both being in their 40s

[pinefamily]

There is another coincidence, Tricia. One of William's ancestors named relatives "Gine/Gyne" in his will of 1617.

[Tricia_2]

... One of William's ancestors named relatives "Gine/Gyne" in his will of 1617.

Interesting! My gt gt grandmother was Esther Jeynes / Jeans / Geens.
(Sorry for such a late reply!)