Charles WILSON Sarah WATSON convict Sarah BOND Ireland Lincs Tas NSW Qld

[searchr]

Yes. Oooooh! I can see it now.
What a horrible way to die.
Thanks all so much.

[wivenhoe]

Can you remind me please, and by way of summary, what children do you claim for Charles WILSON and Sarah WATSON / BOND -


In Tasmania ? -

28 Jan 1846 Thomas parents Charles Wilson (labourer) and Sarah (Watson)

29 Aug 1847 Sarah Ann parents Charles Wilson (fisherman) and Sarah (Bond)

9 Apr 1849 (female) parents Charles Wilson (fisherman) and Sarah (Bond)

28 Aug 1850 Charles parents Charles Wilson (boatman) and Sarah (Bond)


Births in NSW are...?

If death Sarah WILSON, died 1860, gives no clue to the origins of this woman, this might be worth following -

Empire 30 Jul 1861
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/60483721?
...Sarah WILSON stated: I am a widow and reside at Penrith, and am a dressmaker......

Sarah WATSON arrived "Waverley" (2)  CON19/1/2 record  Sarah WATSON   dressmaker.

It would be useful to follow the lives of her children.....ie marriages.

What do you have for marriage of Thomas WILSON, died 1928, QLD?

[searchr]

The plot thickens!
Thanks for so much time you've spent on this.
I can't answer right now, but will do as soon as I can.
Just quickly though, Thomas's headstone in billion graves https://billiongraves.com/grave/Thomas-Wilson/20955594

has Catherine (Kathleen) Wilson (Molloy) - 3 Sep 1916 as one of the relationships on the headstone.

Find a grave https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/184955015/catherine-elizabeth-wilson

has her as Catherine Elizabeth "Kate" Malloy Wilson.

Family search tree has him marrying her 8 Jan 1875 in Forbes, but I don't think I've found a marriage in NSW yet.

[matthewj64]

Death of Thomas Wilson

1928 'DIED IN HOSPITAL WITH BROKEN NECK.', Daily Standard (Brisbane, Qld. : 1912 - 1936), 30 May, p. 2. (3 p.m. EDITION), viewed 07 Feb 2020, http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article178949483

[matthewj64]

Funeral notice for Kathleen Wilson

1916 'Family Notices', The Brisbane Courier (Qld. : 1864 - 1933), 4 September, p. 6. , viewed 07 Feb 2020, http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article20134882

[majm]

Well found M. 

So is it logical to consider that the informant on the 1928 d.c. may have been relying on info provided by Thomas as recorded on Thomas' own marriage?

JM

[majm]

I thought there could be some sort of copyright problem.


Date and place of death is July 1860, Strawberry Hill (like that name).
Name is Sarah Wilson (no occupation); sex is female (no age);

nothing re cause;

nothing re father or mother;

certified by maybe R. Hanslow maybe undertaker & underneath that George someone (an outside chance could be Bond but more probably ?red);

registration with signature 21st August 1860 Sydney; burial 27 Jul 1860 Camperdown Cemetery with name of undertaker R. Hanslow?;

in the minister and witnesses it has Thos. Hanslow? and Jas? Clark (son of Josephine by her 1st husband?);

nothing re how long in colonies;

nothing re place of marriage age & to whom; nothing re children.

I can't attach a snippet right now because I have to sort out a little issue with my scanner.
By the way I found a few trees on world connect: 146057, 178314, 178316 & 211087.
Thanks.

Does that document give you the date of death, not just July 1860,  and NO cause of death ... or does it leave you with the impression that she was no longer involved in the day to day care of her younger children...   

Unusual for the Funeral director to also be the informant.... Jas Clark  mentioned, but does it say who he was, ... or is he employee of funeral director?  Logically if son in law of deceased HE should be informant....  or his wife... she was daughter of deceased ...    ADD ... see my later post ... Josephine was only four years of age in 1860, the  Jas Clark as a witness to the burial simply could NOT be her son. 

in 1860 it was the responsibility of the head of the household (landlord, boarding house, publican) to report sudden death to police, who then followed up with police magistrate to decide if murder investigation or straight to coroner or if medico can decide cause of death... but police magistrate could release body on a burial order.   There is then a time delay between burial date and date of funeral director completing paperwork to register the death ... I.e. cannot complete formal process until cause if death resolved  ... 

Many rural NSW sudden/suspicious deaths in that era have not been found registered, but this is a Sydney CBD death,  so the Funeral director has striven to follow the rules... but what about her children.... It may well be that this 1860 death is for someone who has NO connection to our OPs Thomas .

Also,  need to remember to look further into those brothers who were transported.   


JM

[searchr]

I can't tell you any more about the document. That is all it had. The age and the Camperdown Cemetery with Rosina (and a Charles) are the main connections. (see below re Rosina d)
Here is summary:
Births
In Tasmania
b 28 Jan 1846 Charles parents Charles Wilson (labourer) and Sarah (Watson) (Thomas from bp)

b 29 Aug 1847 Sarah Ann parents Charles Wilson (fisherman) and Sarah (Bond)

b 9 Apr 1849 (female) parents Charles Wilson (fisherman) and Sarah (Bond) (Jemima from bp)

b 28 Aug 1850 Charles parents Charles Wilson (boatman) and Sarah (Bond)

In New South Wales
These births look likely:
(using https://www.records.nsw.gov.au/archives/collections-and-research/guides-and-indexes/births-deaths-and-marriages-registers-1787-1856

re denominations)
WILSON GEORGE; 1523/1852 V18521523 70; CHARLES; SARAH; -; Unavailable (R. C.)

WILSON ROSANNA; 1738/1854 V18541738 71; CHARLES; SARAH; -; Unavailable (R. C.)

WILSON JOSEPHINE S; 926/1856 V1856926 142A; CHARLES; SARAH; -; Unavailable

WILSON HENRIETTA; 12953/1858; CHARLES; SARAH; WELLINGTON; Readily available (refines to 21/04/1858 - 22/04/1858) (20 - 21 works & 22 - 23 doesn’t, so must be 21/04/1858

These look unlikely as C. of E. (& wouldn’t name another Charles when the 1850 one still alive):
WILSON CHARLES S; 571/1853 V1853571 39A; CHARLES F; SARAH; -; Unavailable (C. of E.)
WILSON FRANCES V; 3127/1855 V18553127 42B; CHARLES; SARAH A; -; Unavailable (C. of E.)

Marriages or Deaths
From there,
The people b Tasmania:
Thomas m Catherine/ Kathleen/ Kate etc. Malloy/ Molloy ?1875

Sarah Ann m 4914/1878; WILSON; CHARLES JAMES; WILSON; SARAH A; TENTERFIELD; Readily Available (refines to 25/12/1878 - 26/12/1878) (26 - 27 works & 24 - 25 doesn’t, so must be 26/12/1878)

Jemima m 2929/1869; CASTLEDINE; THOMAS; WILSON; JEMIMA; MURRURUNDI; Readily Available (refines to 19/08/1869 - 20/08/1869) (20 - 21 works & 18 - 19 doesn’t, so must be 20/08/1869)

Charles m 2425/1878; WILSON; CHARLES; SULLIVAN; MARY A; BATHURST; Unavailable (refines to 18/12/1878 - 19/12/1878) (19 - 20 works & 17 - 18 doesn’t, so must be 19/12/1878)

The likely people b New South Wales:
George m 2520/1877; WILSON; GEORGE H; JOHNSON; MARIA JANE; CARCOAR; Readily Available (refines to 11/03/1877 - 12/03/1877) (12 - 13 works & 10 - 11 doesn’t, so must be 12/03/1877)

Rosanna d ? (probably not the C. of E. one)
WILSON ROSANNA; 777/1854 V1854777 143; INFANT; -; -; Unavailable
WILSON ROSINA; 706/1854 V1854706 41A; INFANT; -; -; Unavailable (C. of E.)
WILSON ROSANNA; 2611/1854 V18542611 119; INFANT; -; -; Unavailable (R. C.)
http://gutenberg.net.au/camperdownNSW/_namelist-alphabetical.html
8339; BN08362; Wilson; Charles; 2 Apr 1860; 7w; -; -; -; -; -; -
8747; BN08774; Wilson; Sarah; 25 Jul 1860; 37; -; -; -; -; -; -
3648; BN03655; Wilson; Rosina; 3 Jul 1854; 3m; -; -; -; -; -; -
(This d record isn’t a help: WILSON CHARLES; 8380/1860 186008380 122; -; DIED SYDNEY; -; Unavailable (see ref above re Vol 122))

Josephine
m1 2320/1875; CLARK; HENRY; WILSON; JOSEPHINE; COONABARABRAN; Readily Available (refines to 07/03/1875 - 08/03/1875) (08 - 09 works & 06 - 07 doesn’t, so must be 08/03/1875)
m2 7452/1896; MACDONALD; FRANCIS J; CLARK; JOSEPHINE; GUNNEDAH; Readily Available (refines to 30/11/1896 - 01/12/1896) (01/12 - 02/12 works & 29/11 - 30/11 doesn’t, so must be 01/12/1896)
7452/1896; MACDONALD; FRANCIS J; CLARK; JOSEPHINE; GUNNEDAH; Unavailable (refines to 30/11/1896 - 01/12/1896) (01/12 - 02/12 works & 29/11 - 30/11 doesn’t, so must be 01/12/1896)

Henrietta m 4841/1879; JONES; WILLIAM; WILSON; HERIETTA; TAMWORTH; Unavailable (refines to 08/07/1879 to 09/07/1879) (09 - 10 works & 07 - 08 doesn’t, so 09/07/1879)

[majm]

Do you have Thomas' marriage cert?  If so, what date, and where, and denomination, plus what info is recorded there that he provided about himself and his parent/s...    

JM