Charles WILSON Sarah WATSON convict Sarah BOND Ireland Lincs Tas NSW Qld

[majm]

I am drawn to the death of a Mary WILSON at Denliquin in 1891.  The online index has her parents as Daniel and Ann.  (#5527/1891).  I have NO actual ‘family history based reason’ to explain why, but I can see that there are some dots that MAY be pointers.

I am wondering if Mary and Charles had any children... NSW BDM online index has this possibility registered Bathurst district in 1879:  EDIT JM removed the baby's given names 15 Feb 0848 hours NSW AEDST 

I am getting my archival box that may have info on Jeremiah BUT it will be the weekend or later before I have it.  Sorry.

JM  EDITED to remove names of person born later than 1871.

[searchr]

Certainly no need to be sorry. As I've written before, you are amazing.
An archival box!
About Mary: this is probably her b: SULLIVAN MARY A 4633/1858 DANIEL ANN BATHURST Unavailable
About her d, I tried this search in NSW bdm d: Wil*son, mar*,  father dan*, mother ann*, 01/01/1829 to 31/12/ 1989:
& your one was the only one/ 10 that actually seemed to fit.
I couldn't find it on trove.
I'd like not to go into people b after 1871 if I can avoid it.
Jeremiah worked for the railways for many years. He and his wife Fanny Sarah Emma BALMER lived in Orange for a long time. He later moved to Sydney.
This is a fairly big sample of what I have, so that you don't have to redo things I might already have.:
their m: 2383/1893 SULLIVAN JEREMIAH BALMER FANNY T E BOURKE Unavailable (also https://www.findmypast.com.au/transcript?id=ANZ%2FBMD%2FNSW%2FM%2F0004535409 )

his d SULLIVAN JEREMIAH 3950/1936 DANIEL ANN MARRICKVILLE Unavailable
e.g. https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/17324083?searchTerm=sullivan&searchLimits=l-state=New+South+Wales|||l-decade=193|||l-year=1936|||l-month=3|||l-category=Family+Notices
(There are other articles which mention children: don't want to put them on here.)

his bu e.g. https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/17320751?searchTerm=sullivan&searchLimits=l-state=New+South+Wales|||l-decade=193|||l-year=1936|||l-month=3|||l-category=Family+Notices

& d & bu e.g. https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2WT-SYPJ

FindMyPast has more e.g. his will & he & Fanny on electoral rolls 1903 & 1913.

Fanny
b: BALMER FANNY S E 1808/1868 WILLIAM G EMILY SYDNEY Unavailable (William George & Emily TURNER probably)
Fanny's family possibly went back to England & are on the 1881 census Hackney, then may have come back on the Cheviot in 1885.
d: SULLIVAN FANNY S E 10003/1927 GEORGE 58 YEARS ORANGE Unavailable
There are trove articles about her death but the ones I've found so far mention their children.

I had found some things about their family on World Connect, but haven't seen where they are now that World Connect has changed.
I would love to know more about their parents. It might be a case of more transcriptions needed!
Thanks again.

[majm]

Hi, 

  I have edited my post to remove the name I sourced from the online NSW BDM index for births, as I had not fully appreciated your earlier mentions re not more recent than 1871.  Sorry.

  I don't have 'an archival box'  ... no,  no, no,  I don't have a couple of archival boxes ...  I have quite a number of them.              

JM 

I am drawn to the death of a Mary WILSON at Denliquin in 1891.  The online index has her parents as Daniel and Ann.  (#5527/1891).  I have NO actual ‘family history based reason’ to explain why, but I can see that there are some dots that MAY be pointers.

I am wondering if Mary and Charles had any children... NSW BDM online index has this possibility registered Bathurst district in 1879:  EDIT JM removed the baby's given names 15 Feb 0848 hours NSW AEDST 

I am getting my archival box that may have info on Jeremiah BUT it will be the weekend or later before I have it.  Sorry.

JM  EDITED to remove names of person born later than 1871.

[searchr]

Heaven!
Thanks.

[searchr]

Hi,
The transcription has been emailed!
It has Charles Wilson bachelor, labourer, usual residence Bathurst, & Mary Ann Sullivan, spinster, usual residence Bathurst, m 19 Dec 1878 Cathedral of All Saints, Bathurst, religion Church of England,  witnesses Thomas Johnson & Teresa Sager & minister Thomas Smith. It has none recorded for both birthplaces & ages, both sets of parents, both father occupations & Mary's occupation.

This was family search's transcription.https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XTCY-1M1
Family search: Charles Wilson, “Australia Marriages, 1810-1980” image available at family history centres
Name: Charles Wilson; Birthplace: … …; Spouse’s Name: May Ann Sullivan; Spouse’s Birthplace: …; Event Date: 19 Dec 1878; Event Place: Bathurst, New South Wales, Australia; Father’s Name: Charles Wilson; Mother’s Name: Sarah Bond; Spouse’s Father’s Name: Danil Sullivan; Mother’s Name: Ann Sha…; Marital Status: Single; Spouse’s Marital Status: Single; Record Collection: Australia Marriages, 1810-1980; Document Information: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M00383-5; System Origin: Australia; GS Film number: 992679; Reference ID: vol5
Citing this Record: "Australia Marriages, 1810-1980," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XTCY-1M1 : 10 February 2018), Charles Wilson and May Ann Sullivan, 19 Dec 1878; citing Bathurst, New South Wales, Australia, reference vol5; FHL microfilm 992,679.

What would you suggest is my next step? Is it to contact http://www.allsaintscathedralbathurst.com.au/ ? They have an email address. Do you still suggest snail mail?
I think I might explore my state library &/or archives first. Not only will that not put anyone out, but it might reveal more (won't be this week I don't think).

Also I have gone through your great thread again about marriage blanks. Do you have any similar ones about b, bp, d, or burials? I have gone through all my NSW certs. I'm not sure if there is any further step to take with them. I actually had a reconciled marriage one! The non-marriage ones don't have many blanks. They have things like not stated sometimes. Two of them are from asylums and may not really have had any more information. I'll also try the library/ archives for these.

[majm]

 

Good to know that official transcription has arrived.  Yes,  contacting Bathurst Archivist is sensible, particularly  if you share that official transcription.  Yes,  probably acceptable to make contact via email.


Did it mention if anyone gave consent?  If not, then likely both bride and groom aged 21 or more  and thus old enough to give their own consents.

No, I have not prepared threads for  researching NSW baptisms or burials.  I do think it is important to 'know the context, the practicals, the rules & protocols etc' that were influencing how the events were recorded at the time. 


JM

Hi,
The transcription has been emailed!
It has Charles Wilson bachelor, labourer, usual residence Bathurst, & Mary Ann Sullivan, spinster, usual residence Bathurst, m 19 Dec 1878 Cathedral of All Saints, Bathurst, religion Church of England,  witnesses Thomas Johnson & Teresa Sager & minister Thomas Smith. It has none recorded for both birthplaces & ages, both sets of parents, both father occupations & Mary's occupation.

This was family search's transcription.https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XTCY-1M1
Family search: Charles Wilson, “Australia Marriages, 1810-1980” image available at family history centres
Name: Charles Wilson; Birthplace: … …; Spouse’s Name: May Ann Sullivan; Spouse’s Birthplace: …; Event Date: 19 Dec 1878; Event Place: Bathurst, New South Wales, Australia; Father’s Name: Charles Wilson; Mother’s Name: Sarah Bond; Spouse’s Father’s Name: Danil Sullivan; Mother’s Name: Ann Sha…; Marital Status: Single; Spouse’s Marital Status: Single; Record Collection: Australia Marriages, 1810-1980; Document Information: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M00383-5; System Origin: Australia; GS Film number: 992679; Reference ID: vol5
Citing this Record: "Australia Marriages, 1810-1980," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XTCY-1M1 : 10 February 2018), Charles Wilson and May Ann Sullivan, 19 Dec 1878; citing Bathurst, New South Wales, Australia, reference vol5; FHL microfilm 992,679.

What would you suggest is my next step? Is it to contact http://www.allsaintscathedralbathurst.com.au/ ? They have an email address. Do you still suggest snail mail?
I think I might explore my state library &/or archives first. Not only will that not put anyone out, but it might reveal more (won't be this week I don't think).

Also I have gone through your great thread again about marriage blanks. Do you have any similar ones about b, bp, d, or burials? I have gone through all my NSW certs. I'm not sure if there is any further step to take with them. I actually had a reconciled marriage one! The non-marriage ones don't have many blanks. They have things like not stated sometimes. Two of them are from asylums and may not really have had any more information. I'll also try the library/ archives for these.

[searchr]

Thanks again. I will take your advice about the email. When you say share the transcription, does that mean it's ok copyright-wise to send the official transcription direct to them, rather than my transcription of the transcription? Do I address it to the Archivist? Am i asking for parish registers of the same event? I find it all a bit daunting.
I've been exploring what's available at our state (Qld) library & trying to work out what might go with what resource I find, so I don't waste the visit. I've been there several times before and found them very helpful.
Thanks again for your fantastic marriage thread & all your help.

[searchr]

You see, there's quite a number of trees that have 'your' Charles born 1850 etc etc etc and then in 1867 he died in Sydney, parents as Charles and Sarah.    Some of them note the NSW BDM reference no. for his death as 1529/1867.

Hi again,
I now have some more info and another question.
I now have a transcription re the death of the Charles who died in 1867. He was aged 8 3/4 but his mother was Sarah Robinson.
I also have the parish record of the m of Charles Wilson and Mary Ann Sullivan.
Charles's father was a sailor, which seems good. They were both full age. Sarah's birthplace could be Limekilns, which seems to fit with the GOLD idea.

And that causes me to say ‘GOLD FIELDS’

I can't read his birthplace and that's what I would like help with please. I'll do it as a separate post.
image: no headings of columns:
All Saints
Cathedral   Charles Wilson      Bachelor   .....?      Labourer   full?
Bathurst
19th December Mary Ann Sullivan   Spinster   Lime? Kilns?   -      full
1878

Charles Wilson   Sailor
Bathurst   Sarah Bond

Bathurst   Daniel Sullivan   Labourer
Ann Shane?

   Charles Wilson              Thos Johnson?
This marriage was   (         In the presence of us   (
solemnized between us   ( Mary Ann Sullivan            ( Teresa Sager?

By (or before) me Thomas Smith Officiating Minister or Registrar.

[majm]

NSW Electoral Roll 1878 BATHURST
Thomas JOHNSON, household, George Street
Daniel SULLIVAN, residence, William Street
James SHAE, residence, Havannah Street  (note the spelling for the surname ... )

JM