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Re: Birth lookup
« Reply #27 on: Friday 31 January 20 09:59 GMT (UK) »

I also found a baptism on 15/4/1855 Manchester for an Esther Brooks, dau. of James and Mary.  It's just a transcript on FindMyPast and no idea which church it was, nor the occupation of James.   Was hoping to find Mary Ann baptised at the same time (late baptism for both) but no joy.


Esther BROOKS Birth 5 Feb 1851
Baptism 15 Apr 1855 Manchester, St Mary, St Denys and St George
Father   James Brooks occ Weaver Mother Mary, abode Manchester
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Re: Birth lookup
« Reply #28 on: Friday 31 January 20 10:44 GMT (UK) »

Mary Ann died 1914 and was buried on the 28 March 1914.

I was lucky enough to find her headstone on find a grave though it is not a very good photo plus the headstone looks like it could with a good clean.


Mary Ann BROOMHEAD
Birth   unknown
Death  28 Mar 1914
Burial   Southern Cemetery Chorlton-Cum-Hardy, Metropolitan Borough of Manchester
Plot      L Consecrated 724
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/158001571

note added by D Burgess also buried grave 724
Postion 1 Amy Broomhead 
Postion 3 John Henry Broomhead
Postion 2 Mary Ann Broomhead

from Findagrave these details on the above Amy & John Henry Broomhead

Amy Broomhead
Birth   unknown (GRO death indexes give her age as 0 and her 1886 birth entry mmn WOOD[/b])
Death 11 Nov 1886
Burial    Southern Cemetery
Chorlton-Cum-Hardy, Metropolitan Borough of Manchester, Greater Manchester, England
Plot   L Consecrated 724

Marriage 7 Mar 1874 Manchester 
John Henry BROOMHEAD age 28 / Mary Ann WOOD age 25 father Charles Wood
JHB & MAB (born Lincoln) can be found on 1881 census with their 4 children Piece: 3994 Folio: 30 Page Number:   3

John Henry Broomhead
Birth unknown (GRO death indexes give his age 78 (born c1844)
Death 26 Oct 1922
Cemetery:   Southern Cemetery
Plot   L Consecrated 724

from GRO indexes give the death age of the above Mary Ann is 63 (born c 1851)

Mary Ann BROOMHEAD age 63
1914 M Quarter in MANCHESTER  Volume 08D  Page 308

Do you have the 1914 death certificate of MAB to confirm this is your Mary Ann ?

There is is also this entry for a burial of a Mary Ann Broomhead
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/158001572 (no headstone)

Mary Ann BROOMHEAD Age: 72 (born c 1854)
Burial 15 May 1926
Burial Place:   Manchester, Greater Manchester
Cemetery:   Southern Cemetery
Cemetery Section:   V
Grave Number:   1547

Mary Ann BROOMHEAD age 72 
1926 J Quarter in MANCHESTER SOUTH  Volume 08D  Page 45

Added there is also this burial - Is it MAB's husband?

William Joseph BROOMHEAD Age:68 (1849)
Burial 14 Jun 1917
Burial Manchester, Greater Manchester
Occupation:   Labourer
Cemetery:   Southern Cemetery
Cemetery Section:   I
Grave Number:   685


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Re: Birth lookup
« Reply #29 on: Friday 31 January 20 12:19 GMT (UK) »
Just found James Brooks 23   Weaver    son of Thomas Brooks, farmer and
Mary Hough 24  dau. of Jeremiah Hough, Iron Dresser married 24/12/1850 Manchester.

Births shows
Esther Brooks Jun.qtr.1851 Chorlton - mmn Hough, and
Mary Ann Brooks Mar.1854 Chorlton - mmn Hough.   
So both girls born Chorlton and not Stockport.


Not sure about this marriage entry as Mary's father occ is a labourer

Mary BROOKES age 33 widow (made her mark)
married 27 Apr 1864 Hulme, St Mark, Manchester, Joseph GOODIER age 29 single father Josiah
Mary’s father was Jeremiah HOUGH, labourer

Joseph GOODIER
bapt 20 Aug 1866 Hulme, St Philip, Manchester,
Parents  Joseph Goodier, labourer & Mary
Private Baptism., lived at 16 Matthew Street

Joseph GOODIER mmn HOUGH
1865  S Quarter in CHORLTON  Volume 08C  Page 621   

Josiah GOODIER
bapt 21 Jun 1868 Hulme, St Philip, Manchester
Parents: Joseph Goodier, labourer & Mary
8 Upper Medlock Street

Josiah GOODIER mmn HOUGH
1867  S Quarter in MANCHESTER  Volume 08D  Page 205   

Josiah GOODIER Age 15 months, Croup
buried 7 Dec 1868 Hulme, St George, Lancashire
Parents Joseph & Mary Goodier
8 Medlock St

possible baptism

Mary HOUGH
bapt 3 Sep 1826 Cheadle Cheshire
Parents Jeremiah Hough occ labourer & Mary Ann
(from Chester BTs)

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1841 Census
Islington Street Cellar, Manchester, Chorlton, Lancashire
Jeremiah Hough  labourer
Mary Hough   
Mary Hough       back tenter
Thomas  Hough      
Sarah Hough      
Elizabeth Hough   
William   Hough   

1851 Census
Waterhouse Buildings, Manchester, Chorlton, Lancashire
Jeremiah   Hough Head Labourer Iron Foundry b Stockport, Cheshire,
Mary Ann Hough Wife b Stockport, Cheshire
Thomas Hough   Son Labourer Iron Foundry b Stockport, Cheshire
Sarah Hough Dau Calico Weaver b Chorlton, Lancashire
Elizabeth Hough Dau   - Scholar b Chorlton, Lancashire
William   Hough   Son   - Scholar b Chorlton, Lancashire

One thing I keep coming back to is this:

1861 Census - Chorlton upon Medlock

Mary Brooks    Widow.    32     Framing Tenter Cotton Mill     b. Stockport, Cheshire
Esther Brooks  9 (incorrectly transcribed as Catherine on FindMyPast)       ditto
Mary A. Brooks  7                                                                     ditto

Forgot to note exact details but found a Mary married to a James in Stockport in 1851 - no children yet, think it may have been under Brook on Ancestry.  Sure she was a Tenter.


same address as Jeremiah HOUGH  was living in 1851

This census is damaged and difficult to make out below is what was transcribed

1851 Census
Waterhouse Buildings, Manchester, Chorlton, Lancashire
James Brook   Head   Marr.  Smallware Dealer   -
Mary Brook   Wife   Married Frame Tenter In Cotton Mill   Stockport, Cheshire

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EDIT

Apologies - didn't realise if details are not clear you can't post the transcript details

reference number given for 1851 census
 HO107 Piece number   2220 - if you view  the damaged record you can just make out
 8 Waterhouse
Brook Head Mar........ occ small, 
M wife..... frame tenter

1851c from familysearch
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGYV-79P
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Re: Birth lookup
« Reply #30 on: Friday 31 January 20 23:29 GMT (UK) »

Mary Ann died 1914 and was buried on the 28 March 1914.

I was lucky enough to find her headstone on find a grave though it is not a very good photo plus the headstone looks like it could with a good clean.

I have now had a chance to lookup the other two people buried with this Mary Ann Broomhead.
She is not my Mary Ann.
The Mary Ann I though might be mine is buried with an Amy and John Henry Broomhead.
On the Lancs. BDM. An Amy died 1886 aged zero. She was born 1886 so only survived a month or so. On the births her mothers maiden name is Wood.
Found a marriage of a Mary Ann Wood to a John Henry Broomhead. So I can now cross this family off my list.
At least I have sorted that one out.
Many thanks
Sue


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Re: Birth lookup
« Reply #31 on: Friday 31 January 20 23:51 GMT (UK) »

Mary Ann BROOMHEAD Age: 72 (born c 1854)
Burial 15 May 1926

William Joseph BROOMHEAD Age:68 (1849)
Burial 14 Jun 1917

I had William but thought the other Mary Ann died 1914 was my Mary Ann. It looks very much like the one that died 1926 could possibly be my Mary Ann.
Thank you
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Sue

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Re: Birth lookup
« Reply #32 on: Saturday 01 February 20 00:00 GMT (UK) »

Just found James Brooks 23   Weaver    son of Thomas Brooks, farmer and
Mary Hough 24  dau. of Jeremiah Hough, Iron Dresser married 24/12/1850 Manchester.

Thank you Annette.
I will now digest everything and go online to find the family.
I was having trouble with the 1851 census. I know a lot of pages were damaged. The Broomhead family I am sure are on some of those pages.
I am sure you and everyone else have now helped me prove that the James and Mary Hough is the correct family. Would you believe it I also have the surname Gough in my mothers line.
I have a bit of work ahead of me with all this new info. and help.
Thank you and everyone who has taken the time to help.
Really appreciate everything you have done to put me on the right line.
Cheers
Sue

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Re: Birth lookup
« Reply #33 on: Saturday 01 February 20 05:45 GMT (UK) »
1851 Census
Waterhouse Buildings, Manchester, Chorlton, Lancashire
James Brook   Head   Marr.  Smallware Dealer   -
Mary Brook   Wife   Married Frame Tenter In Cotton Mill   Stockport, Cheshire

Thank you for the information.
I found the census page. Very difficult to read so will have a play around with it see if I can get some of cleared up a bit.
I may or may not have found a burial for James.
James Brooks was buried 2 Apr 1851 aged 27 Rushlome Chorlton, so about the right age and area.
His cause of death is interesting. Insanity. Has his abode as Prestwich. I take it that would have been where he was when he died and not where he had been living before he was admitted to either a workhouse or some kind of institution.
Which throws up a lot more questions.
Would there be any health records that would be available? Would love to know what happened to him.
I will investigate further.
Cheers
Sue

It's OK. I found it. James was admitted on the 15th Mar and died on the 29th. He was a publican. I doubt my James would have been a publican.
Another one crossed of the list.

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Re: Birth lookup
« Reply #34 on: Monday 03 February 20 22:19 GMT (UK) »
Hi everyone,
Just to update you all on the Brooks family.
With your help I have now got the right family.
The sister Esther was the clue in the marriage.
It had been many years since I had got the copy of that marriage.
As I come to each direct ancestor I am going back over my research and if possible trying to see if there is any further information as I type up each direct ancestor.
Mainly seeing if I can find the surnames of spouses that have not been recorded.
At last I can close that family off and get it all put together and move onto the next family.
I really appreciate all your help from everyone.
It is wonderful to know there are still many out there willing to help and share information, and in my case help put me on the right track other wise I could have entered up the wrong family and no one would have been the wiser.
Once I have all my information collated and handed over to the grandchildren I hope to get back into transcribing records again.
It would be nice to give something back for all the help I have had from so many people.
Thank all again.
I expect I may be back with another query.
Thank you all again
Cheers
Sue