How do I find who was living with my ancestor in 1903?

[KentishChris]

Hey all!

I'm not entirely sure where the best place to post this request, so I hope here is okay?!

I'm hoping to find out who my ancestor was living with while she was living at 7 Upper Grove, South Norwood, Croydon, UK.
My Grandfather (George Lamont Horn) was born there on the 3rd November 1903. Both of them disappear on all records after this. I'm not entirely sure how long they lived there, but his mother, Violet Kemp Horn(e), was travelling in 1902, so it wouldn't have been long before.

This address has come up on another thread and another member commented that there was nothing of interest in the house or the area.
Violet heads back up to Scotland and is living without her son in 1911. His father had moved to Australia, on his own. George doesn't reappear on any known records until the 1930s.

My question is, if this is even possible; to find out who Violet and George are living with at this address?

Thanks in advance!
Chris

[[Ray]]

Hi
GRO has . . . . . . .
HORN, GEORGE  LAMONT             
Mother's Maiden Name THOMSON     
GRO Reference: 1903  D Quarter in CROYDON  Volume 02A  Page 328     

You have his birth certificate?     

What are the steps you went thru to get to GLHorn / Violet Kemp[Horne(e)]     
Repeating research for all those wishing to help is a waste?       

Can/would you point us to the other thread?     


WHERE/WHEN was she born?
     

Regards     
Ray
 

[KentishChris]

Hello Ray,

Yes, this is the correct person! I have his birth certificate.
On the certificate, 7 Upper Grove, South Norwood, Croydon is listed as his place of birth, but it appears to be just a residential address.

Violet Kemp Horn was born in Gourock, Scotland in 1872. She marries George's supposed father, William Horn, in 1896 in Taltal, Chile. There were no children born whilst they were out there. William runs away in 1902, leaving Violet in Chile. By the time she has returned to the UK in 1902, he had apparently already left for Australia (surely ruling him out from being his actual father).
She appears at a Scottish address in Gourock/Greenock, in 1911, with just a lodger. After many, many searches, I have never found George Lamont or William on the 1911 census. She leaves for Australia in 1922 and dies there, alone in 1946. It appears William died the other end of Australia in 1915.

I have never found anything for George from his birth certificate in 1903, right up until the early 1930s, when he gets married and has his own children.

I'm hoping to find out who she is with at the time in 1903. Maybe I'm clutching at straws, but there is a whole clump of people on my DNA matches, that I cannot fit into my tree. And the same surname keeps popping up. This particular person would have been in his 30's when George was born and had children around the same time with his wife.

Violet was from Scotland and there is no reason why she is suddenly staying at a house in Croydon? It doesn't make any sense. The person in question above, lived in Sussex, not far from Croydon. And George actually spends the rest of his life in Sussex.

Best wishes
Chris

[mckha489]

You might try wading through here,
On ancestry

All Surrey, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1962

[[Ray]]

Hi Chris
But, why mmn Thomson?     
What does it say on the birth cert?Would you give us a potted history, from birth, of her?

Cheers Ray

[mckha489]

Previous thread (she was Violet Kemp Thomson)

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=787299.0

[KentishChris]

Thank you Mckha489!! 
I will attempt to wade through the electoral register. I'll keep posted if I find anything.

Thomson is her maiden name.

1872 - Born to Robert Thomson and Agnes Aitchison in Gourock, Scotland.
1896 - Moves to Chile and marries William Horn.
1902 - Returns to Scotland to find William has disappeared to Australia.
Nov 1903 - Gives birth to George Lamont Horn in Croydon, England.
1907 - Files for divorce on the grounds of desertion but continues to use Horn.
1911 - Living in Scotland as a midwife, living with a lodger.
1922 - Moves to Australia. First NSW, then south to Geelong, Victoria.
1930s - Is listed on voter records.
1946 - Dies in a nursing home. Death certificate lists William and that they are divorced and that he is deceased but no children mentioned.

George Lamont Horn
1903 - Born in 7 Upper Grove, South Norwood, Croydon.
Early 1930s - Listed in newspaper bigamy scandal in Sussex.
1933 - Marries Margaret Ellen Greenfield in Sussex.
1935 - His son is born in Sussex.
1976 - Dies in Hove, Sussex.

[KGarrad]

Please bear in mind that Electoral Registers only list those people entitled to vote.

Not all males, age 21 and over, were included until 1918.
And not all women were included until 1928.

[[Ray]]

[ Yup, thanks Mckha489!! = very helpful ]     

Chris
??
Marriage 1933 Dec E.Preston 2b 1011     ?     
shows him marrying (Margaret?) Ellen LINFIELD     
1938 is a potential GREENFIELD marriage     
   1939 register shows a daughter  born 1932 initials VM ( V after his mother? )
and one other redacted person

Ray