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Re: Census info on Familysearch
« Reply #36 on: Monday 17 February 20 16:36 GMT (UK) »
Hi
As I understand it, it is everything

Oh dear ! That is really bad news  >:(
There is another thread about this Kathleen - the link to it is  https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=825181.0

Perhaps you could post this bad news there too.

Looby :)

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Re: Census info on Familysearch
« Reply #37 on: Monday 17 February 20 16:50 GMT (UK) »
Hi everyone,
I have spoken to someone I know in the LDS genealogy section in Utah and you are not going to like it, I know I didn’t.

“The Scottish government did not renew their records contract with the LDS FHL and removed all access to their records including the microfilm at the FHL”. This is because they want to make money from the records, now the only way is to purchase on Scotland’s People.

I am raging, these records are better transcribed than most of Scotland’s People.

Another money making scheme.

Kathy
GREENOCK.  Mitchell, Foley, Ferguson, Sweeney, Beckett, Sheekey, Branchfield, McDermid, Crighton, Canavan
LIVERPOOL. Otty, Holmes, Crighton
CO TYRONE, FERMANAGH, ANTRIM, DERRY.   Mitchell, Elliott,Dowds, Mcguire, McFall
COUNTY CARLOW. Foley, Doyle
DENMARK. Holm
WIGTOWNSHIRE.  Ferguson, Milroy, Dickson, Gunlock, Aitcheson/Hutcheson

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Re: Census info on Familysearch
« Reply #38 on: Monday 17 February 20 17:11 GMT (UK) »
They haven't all been removed (yet)
https://www.familysearch.org/search/record/results?record_country=Scotland&record_type=3&count=20&offset=0 then click on the tab marked 'Collections'
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Re: Census info on Familysearch
« Reply #40 on: Monday 17 February 20 18:04 GMT (UK) »
There are microfilms in the possession of assorted libraries and Family History Societies all over Scotland, so these should still be available as before.

As for the transcriptions, I disagree that they are better than the ones on SP. And SP are happy to correct any errors drawn to their attention.

Quite apart from the fact that FS didn't have households, only index listings of individuals.

And lastly, even if there are transcriptions available, there is still no substitute for checking the original documents just to make sure you have all the information. I have yet to find any transcription or index that correctly transcribes the information on the page headers. (If you don't believe this, go to the LDS census on the Scotland's People web site, and search for given name John and census place Motherwell. Or Coatbridge. Or Wishaw. Or Airdrie. Then run the same search on FindMyPast.)
Never trust anything you find online (especially submitted trees and transcriptions on Ancestry, MyHeritage, FindMyPast and other commercial web sites) unless it's an image of an original document - and even then be wary because errors can and do occur.

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« Reply #41 on: Monday 17 February 20 18:55 GMT (UK) »
Hello Kathy, thanks for posting your information here - it's much appreciated, and sounds to be the most credible explanation. I also have found FS transcriptions a good way of filtering out the right record before purchasing the original on SP, and find it difficult to operate as effectively with just SP's indexes alone.

Ref some of the record still being on FS, there are only several thousand for each census year versus several million usually and, when I click on any of the entries that are there, I get a blank screen. Perhaps others can still access these.

With respect to census entries only showing individuals, only the day before these records started disappearing, I'd been working on FS transcripts for whole households. I'm not sure if this was a glitch before the pruning started, but I definitely had access to this. Even now, the indexes show other members in a household, even if you can't open the record to see the detail.

This all seems a shame to me. Personally, I was much more likely to purchase an original image from SP if I felt reasonably sure it would be the right one. Unless I can get the same confidence from running lengthy routines on SP, I'm unlikely to take the risk. Perhaps SP themselves might be working on a different form of index that encourages greater uptake.

P.S. FreeCen transcripts are still available at present.

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« Reply #42 on: Monday 17 February 20 19:02 GMT (UK) »
Ref some of the record still being on FS, there are only several thousand for each census year versus several million usually and, when I click on any of the entries that are there, I get a blank screen. Perhaps others can still access these.

I can still see details rather than a blank screen.

And lastly, even if there are transcriptions available, there is still no substitute for checking the original documents just to make sure you have all the information. I have yet to find any transcription or index that correctly transcribes the information on the page headers. (If you don't believe this, go to the LDS census on the Scotland's People web site, and search for given name John and census place Motherwell. Or Coatbridge. Or Wishaw. Or Airdrie. Then run the same search on FindMyPast.)

I agree with you entirely, but found the details on Family Search a useful 'filter' before committing to purchase on SP.
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Re: Census info on Familysearch
« Reply #43 on: Monday 17 February 20 19:09 GMT (UK) »
I've attached a snip of the index I can see, then the blank screen when I click to open, then the permission denied notice when I try to open in another page.

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« Reply #44 on: Monday 17 February 20 19:10 GMT (UK) »
Blank screen.