Looking for Ellen McGrath and William Desmond Murphy

[Karytay]

This may or may not be the same family but a family tree has

William Desmond father Edmond with a spouse Elizabeth.

By 1910 in SA and death in SA 1954.  There are similarities with your story there.
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Milliepede did you find  the  death info,on NARS, because I did not see it there?

Did he did in the Transvaal or Free State?

[Karytay]

Thanks so much for the links Hallmark. This will help me a lot for there are a lot of family members to find.

[hallmark]

Thanks so much for the links Hallmark. This will help me a lot for there are a lot of family members to find.

You are welcome.

Moving around through decades or whatever is easy enough when one finds their way around...

Some Deaths have  Returns Page No  and do not have Images of Certs at moment so one needs to use Link every few months to look for updated ones.

Good hunting!

[heywood]

Looking at the witnesses to the marriage - Michael McGrath and Nan.. McGrath, this looks like that family in 1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Tipperary/Ballyclerahan/Kilmolash_Lower/818883/

Note the child Mary Ellen Murphy 10yrs b Dublin


This is the family in 1901

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Tipperary/Ballyclerahan/Kilmolash_Lower/1712587/

The mother here is Kate but you have Ellen’s mother as Ellen 

[heywood]

There are so many McGraths - this might help - might be Nano from the censuses. I can’t see a civil birth yet.
Number 88

https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632166#page/132/mode/1up

Baptism of Honora McGrath 24th July 1876 parents Laurence and Catherine Culinane

[heywood]

It looks as though that Laurence McGrath was married twice.
Here is his marriage to Catherine Cullinane
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1874/11240/8121706.pdf


Number 6 here is Ellen McGrath with parents Laurence and Margaret Roache
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632166#page/5/mode/1up

So you have Laurence and Kilmolash but otherwise the information is different.

[Karytay]

Hallmark -Mary Ellen was Ellen's daughter. her names appears on Ellen's death notice. Maybe the mother had two names ? Or I might have made a mistake. Have to go back and check.

Thanks heywood, I will have to go back to the family and check on this. I to cannot find a mother with the name Ellen Shea. Surly the husband would know the wife's mother's name

[heywood]

That death certificate has a child Mary Ellen which would match the child in 1911 census I gave you earlier.
That would seem therefore that the censuses are the correct family.

[Karytay]

It looks that way.
Thanks for the info heywood.