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Offline Aussie Roy

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Masons of Whitechapel
« on: Thursday 13 February 20 08:15 GMT (UK) »
I suspect there is something wrong with my tree. I'll start with my great great grandfather George Alfred Smith 1856-1936. A bit of luck here because 1881 census he his his father living with him and he died the same year. George James Smith 1819-1881, cordwainer from East Knoyle Wiltshire found his way to London. Here he married Elizabeth Mason in 1842. I have found some banns for 1839 without parental information. I think they were null because the bride was under age, Family search gave her parents as James Hawes Mason 1799-1860 and Elizabeth Walton. James Hawes being a cordwainer or bootcloser seemed I was on track. His father was James Mason 1767-1839, his mother Mary Ann Hawes. His father Robert Mason 1730-1824. This is where I get suspicious  Robert Mason has 9 children. One of these was Robert Mason 1757-1849 who went to America and fought for the rebels earning the nickname 'The Patriot'.  American contacts and trees I have seen have his mother as Elizabeth Dudley, I cannot find a marriage of a Robert Mason to a Dudley. I have a marriage 1749 to Elizabeth Lee. My ancestor James Mason b. 1767 and the Robert 1757 were both baptised  St. Mary Whitechapel, Parents Robert and Elizabeth of Rosemary Lane, Sarah Mason 1755 in Rosemary Lane, Other children, William Mason, b. 1750 of Robert & Elizabeth Mills Yard. Elizabeth Mason 1759, Robert & Elizabeth -----Yard. John Mason b. 1761 of Robert & Elizabeth, White's Yard. Ann Dudley Mason b,1762. Whites Yard'. Charlotte Mason b. 1765, White's Yard. Charles Mason 1770 Whites Yard. Could it be that there are two different families here ? Where the Americans get Elizabeth Dudley from I don't know. Maybe some clue in Ann Dudley Mason.
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Re: Masons of Whitechapel
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 13 February 20 12:59 GMT (UK) »
Just posting the 1881 census entry that you mention

RG11/588 f40 p23 - 21 Thomas Street, Lambeth

George A Smith   25    occ Jeweller born Holborn, Middlesex
Martha J Smith   22   occ Cork Cutter   born St Olaves, Surrey
Henry T Smith   3   bn Lambeth, Surrey
Rosa J Smith   2   Lambeth, Surrey
George J Smith   Father - Widower - 61 - occ Cordwainer - born East Knoyle, Wiltshire
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Re: Masons of Whitechapel
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 13 February 20 13:06 GMT (UK) »
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Here he married Elizabeth Mason in 1842.....Family search gave her parents as James Hawes Mason 1799-1860 and Elizabeth Walton

Family search doesn't have the marriage as far as I can see, and the marriage record wouldn't have the mother's name. Do you have the marriage certificate or register details?
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Re: Masons of Whitechapel
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 13 February 20 13:58 GMT (UK) »
1851
HO107/1514 f205 p10 Living Holborn

George J   Smith   32 occ Cordwainer   bn East Knoyle, Wiltshire
Elizabeth   Smith   27 bn Northamptonshire
Rosa A   Smith   1 bn    London, Middlesex

SMITH, ROSA  AGNES  mmn MASON 
1850  March Quarter
HOLBORN  reg dist
Volume 02  Page 146
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Re: Masons of Whitechapel
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 13 February 20 14:17 GMT (UK) »
Here he married Elizabeth Mason in 1842. I have found some banns for 1839 without parental information. I think they were null because the bride was under age

The banns were not read in 1839.  The three Sundays were 24 April, 1 May and 8 May in 1842.  You really need to be careful of transcribed records because they rarely take enough care to notice when the year changes in the register.  You can look yourself by going back page by page.

Debra  :)

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Re: Masons of Whitechapel
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 13 February 20 14:49 GMT (UK) »
Married Sep qtr 1842, Holborn 2 45
St Peter Saffron Hill - missing images on ancestry
Marriage register  - page 17, two marriages 3 February 1842 (numbers 33, 34 in register)
then next is page 26, marriages 19 Dec, 25 Dec 1842 (51, 52 in register)

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Re: Masons of Whitechapel
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 13 February 20 15:05 GMT (UK) »
Thank you, I was just trying to work out what was going on.  ;D

First child George James was baptised at St Leonards, Shoreditch on 7 Apr 1844 (Easter Sunday), born 28 Aug 1843.  Parents' abode was Saffron Hill.

SMITH, GEORGE  JAMES
Mother's maiden surname: MASON     
GRO Reference: 1843  S Quarter in THE HOLBORN UNION  Volume 02  Page 135

This child most likely died aged 4 in 1847.

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Re: Masons of Whitechapel
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 13 February 20 15:05 GMT (UK) »
There is a marriage in Shoreditch 13 July 1853 of Ann Catherine Mason - father James Hawes Mason occ Boot Closer.  Witnesses were George James Smith and Sarah Smith (Both signed)

Alongside Sarah Smith's signature is written (The Brides Fathers Sister)
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Re: Masons of Whitechapel
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 13 February 20 15:55 GMT (UK) »
Excellent find, Rosie!