Riche christening and burial

[MattD30]

Hi I am hoping someone here night be able to double check for a christening and burial for two member of the Riche family in Petham for me.

John Riche married Mary Young in Petham in July 1611 and I know they had the following children

Stephen Riche - christened 27 October 1611
Katherine Riche - christened 6 December 1612
Henry Riche - I don't have his details to hand at the minute but will add them later.

I have recently come across two more marriages in Petham for a John Riche which took place in the 1640s and were by licence. Given that I've only found 3 children for the marriage between John Riche and Marye Young I am wondering if she died and he married again.

The first of these marriages was in 1640 and the licences states:

"John Riche, of Petham, husb, widowr, and Julian Dennard of Little Hardres, w, relict of Thomas Dennard, late, same parish, deceased. At St Margaret's Canterbury. Anthony Spaine of Lympne, husbandman, bondsman. March 15, 1640"

The second marriage is in 1643 so it looks like Julian may have died between 1640 and 1643.

"John Rich, of Petham, husb, widowr, and Agnes Inge, same parish, w of Mr Richard Inge, late same parish, deceased. At same. Richard White of Canterbury, barber, bondsman. March 13, 1643"

I suspect these two marriages also related to John Riche who married Mary Younge in 1611 but without knowing when she died I'm not certain.

Can anyone help or offer any pointers?

Many Thanks

Matt

[ciderdrinker]

Yes you are right
Marie /Mary wife of John Rich buried 17.1.1740/41 Petham
Julian Rich buried 21.7.1641 Lower Hardres st Mary

Two possible burials for John at Petham 3.11.1650 and 20.12.1649.
there is something written between each but I can't read it.the ink is very faint.
Obviously one could be an infant son of Henry who seems to be having children in the parish.

children for John  the two you have plus Henry 26.8.1621

Ciderdrinker

[MattD30]

Yes you are right
Marie /Mary wife of John Rich buried 17.1.1740/41 Petham
Julian Rich buried 21.7.1641 Lower Hardres st Mary

Two possible burials for John at Petham 3.11.1650 and 20.12.1649.
there is something written between each but I can't read it.the ink is very faint.
Obviously one could be an infant son of Henry who seems to be having children in the parish.

children for John  the two you have plus Henry 26.8.1621

Ciderdrinker

Hi Ciderdrinker

Thanks for those. I did think it would be a bit of a coincidence to have two more marriage for a John Riche [who in both cases was widowed] in the same area in such a small space of time.

I presume Mary's burial was in 1640/41 not 1740/41 lol!?

Thanks for the date of Henry's christening too btw. Henry is my ancestor but for some reason I didn't have his dates on my file lol!

Best Wishes and thanks again

Matt

[ciderdrinker]

Yes
Of course it was.
Mary died in the January ,John remarried in the March and Julian died i n the July.

Ciderdrinker

[MattD30]

Yes
Of course it was.
Mary died in the January ,John remarried in the March and Julian died i n the July.

Ciderdrinker

I wonder when what the maiden names of Julian and Agnes were? So far I haven't been able to find a marriage for Thomas Dennard to a woman named Julian, or a marriage of Richard Inge to a woman named Agnes.

Are there any signs that John had any children by either of these women?

Thanks and best wishes
Matt

[ciderdrinker]

Hello
As it happens there is a bit more.
Richard Inge single age 34 of Petham  married  Agnes Allen single  age 32 of Petham at Thanington 12.10.1629 by licence.
The reason at Thanington ?
He was the Vicar at  Petham. Plus she was also very very pregnant.
He had been a curate at Milton Regis before moving to Petham 19.9.1627
Ordained 23.5.1619.
he went to Trinity and  Corpus Christi Cambridge.
Richard buried 12.6.1641 leaving a Will .

Agnes had some children with Richard but not with John.
Marie 2.11.1629,Thomas 27.3.1631,Frances 13.9.1633,Vincent 20.4.1635,Bridget 10.12.1637.

The Dennards are can't find.
No children John and Julian i can see.

The 1642 Protestation records gives us
John Rich at Petham
John Rich
Henry Rich
Augustine Rich
All signed.

Ciderdrinker

[MattD30]

Hello
As it happens there is a bit more.
Richard Inge single age 34 of Petham  married  Agnes Allen single  age 32 of Petham at Thanington 12.10.1629 by licence.
The reason at Thanington ?
He was the Vicar at  Petham. Plus she was also very very pregnant.
He had been a curate at Milton Regis before moving to Petham 19.9.1627
Ordained 23.5.1619.
he went to Trinity and  Corpus Christi Cambridge.
Richard buried 12.6.1641 leaving a Will .

Agnes had some children with Richard but not with John.
Marie 2.11.1629,Thomas 27.3.1631,Frances 13.9.1633,Vincent 20.4.1635,Bridget 10.12.1637.

The Dennards are can't find.
No children John and Julian i can see.

The 1642 Protestation records gives us
John Rich at Petham
John Rich
Henry Rich
Augustine Rich
All signed.

Ciderdrinker

Hi

Thanks for those. Very interesting reading, although it is shame Richard isn't my direct ancestor lol! He sounds like an interesting character. It's good to have a maiden name for Agnes though, now I might be able to find a christening for her.

I wonder who the second John Rich and the Augustine Rich named in the Protestation Returns are?

Thanks again

Matt