my Scottish Sutherland family assessing who is who

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I have a pic that I was given by a cousin  and am attempting to name him.


and discover what his outfit is?


now the elder man with the beard is my gg Robt sutherland born 1830 and the younger one is his son born 1855     ---

the other pic I was told was Robt  but no name on it anywhere and not sure of the age.... etc.. I thought --  maybe some help on here    please   

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Hi Xin...I think the first guy and the taller one in your second photo look like the same person...the sash with crossed keys could be the orange Lodge:

https://www.emblems-gifts.co.uk/crossed-keys-to-heaven-orange-lodge-order-nickel-plated-for-collarette-sash-83125-p.asp

I have seen both of these men before on here.
Carol

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Oh my goodness   so I have asked before !!! getting worse by the minute   sorry so sorry.. will check my posts..

'what day is it' ?  

OKay collecting myself and thanks Carole..

I did think it was the older chap if so -- thats my Great Great Grandfather  

appreciate your patience


xin

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Aw bless you Xin...I am only saying that I have seen these before, not that you have asked questions...it could have been used as your Avatar at some time. Just looked at them in Photoshop..I've changed my mind...I think you are right.

Carol

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Thanks to Carol   and a bit of searching.. I have shocked my brain back to a previous post...

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=800956.msg6585346#msg6585346

so Please forgive me...

its a fact that I am a lot less with it ... but hey ho.. I am still here --- which is wonderful for me at least xxxxxxx


so sorry people  kick me later xx and thanks Carol (without an e )

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No need to apologise Xin....it happens to us all from time to time, so don't beat yourself up 
Carol

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xxxx