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Re: First part of a pub's name ??? Arms, 1851 UK Census
« Reply #27 on: Sunday 22 March 20 18:31 GMT (UK) »
LOl nothing would surprise me about them. 

I did wonder if he might've ended up in jail for something like embezzlement.  He was born circa 1790 in Halton, Cheshire and their youngest daughter was born in 1740... so it could fit. 

I may be able to find something in the local newspapers to support/deny that ....
Thanks Girl Guide:)

The London Gazette
http://thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/19995/page/1742

See bottom col 2

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Re: First part of a pub's name ??? Arms, 1851 UK Census
« Reply #28 on: Sunday 22 March 20 18:41 GMT (UK) »
 :o :o :o :o :o :o WOW! thanks for that.. I expected to have to trawl through years of articles!  That certainly jives with the info Girl Guide has located and it definitely fits with the location and timeline.

Also, Robert was obviously a fairly educated man because he was listed as having a couple of different careers from teacher to solicitor and I am sure I saw accountant on another doc.  So the person in this article seems to fall within those parameters.

It'll be interesting to find the court case to discover whether he was a charlatan/embezzler or gullible and got in with the wrong people, or just a poor businessman.

Thanks Hanes Teulu:)
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Re: First part of a pub's name ??? Arms, 1851 UK Census
« Reply #29 on: Sunday 22 March 20 19:00 GMT (UK) »
The London Gazette
http://thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/19991/page/1637

The 1841 Census occupation links neatly to this item - half way down col 2

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Re: First part of a pub's name ??? Arms, 1851 UK Census
« Reply #30 on: Sunday 22 March 20 19:03 GMT (UK) »
That link doesn't work I'm afraid.  I took a quick look at the records for Lancaster Castle,  at least he wasn't hung!
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Brookes - New Zealand; England
Morris- Liverpool Lancs, UK; New Zealand
Hatter - Wiltshire UK; Otago New Zealand
Ainslie & Strachan - Midlothian, Scotland; New Zealand
Paull -St Agnes, St Columb Minor Parish Cornwall; South Africa; New Zealand
Gould & Reece- Stroud, Gloucestershire UK; New Zealand
Oakly - Australia, NZ; UK
Downes -UK; Australia; NZ
Kinghorn - Jamaica; England; Scotland
Murphy - County Kerry, Ireland; NZ


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Re: First part of a pub's name ??? Arms, 1851 UK Census
« Reply #31 on: Sunday 22 March 20 19:09 GMT (UK) »
Try it again!!


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Re: First part of a pub's name ??? Arms, 1851 UK Census
« Reply #32 on: Sunday 22 March 20 19:25 GMT (UK) »
I got it. Thanks:) 

I'm not sure I know what I'm looking at?  Do you know what it means "Court of Relief for Insolvent Debtors"? Is it akin to a bankruptcy claim where they are not legally liable for debts?
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Brookes - New Zealand; England
Morris- Liverpool Lancs, UK; New Zealand
Hatter - Wiltshire UK; Otago New Zealand
Ainslie & Strachan - Midlothian, Scotland; New Zealand
Paull -St Agnes, St Columb Minor Parish Cornwall; South Africa; New Zealand
Gould & Reece- Stroud, Gloucestershire UK; New Zealand
Oakly - Australia, NZ; UK
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Kinghorn - Jamaica; England; Scotland
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Re: First part of a pub's name ??? Arms, 1851 UK Census
« Reply #33 on: Sunday 22 March 20 19:25 GMT (UK) »
Re. the 1854, March Qtr, Death registration

FindMyPast Burial (transcription only)

19 Feb 1854, Robert Morris, age 68, burial place Walton on the Hill, Lancaster, Cemetery St Mary, residence Everton

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Re: First part of a pub's name ??? Arms, 1851 UK Census
« Reply #34 on: Sunday 22 March 20 19:28 GMT (UK) »
I got it. Thanks:) 

   "Court of Relief for Insolvent Debtors"?

Just google it.

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Re: First part of a pub's name ??? Arms, 1851 UK Census
« Reply #35 on: Sunday 22 March 20 19:32 GMT (UK) »
Did so and found a very good resource ;D

Thanks for the death link.  I will get a copy of the DC to see if I can confirm his parentage etc.

FANTASTIC!!!! Thanks everyone - you've been so generous and I am thrilled. :D :D :D :D
Johnston - New Zealand; Scotland
Brookes - New Zealand; England
Morris- Liverpool Lancs, UK; New Zealand
Hatter - Wiltshire UK; Otago New Zealand
Ainslie & Strachan - Midlothian, Scotland; New Zealand
Paull -St Agnes, St Columb Minor Parish Cornwall; South Africa; New Zealand
Gould & Reece- Stroud, Gloucestershire UK; New Zealand
Oakly - Australia, NZ; UK
Downes -UK; Australia; NZ
Kinghorn - Jamaica; England; Scotland
Murphy - County Kerry, Ireland; NZ