First part of a pub's name ??? Arms, 1851 UK Census

[Mart 'n' Al]

There is a Lathom just north of Liverpool, but I can't read it as Lathom.

Martin

[dragonlady403]

Thanks for that info - I also struggled with Lathom but I don't know what else it could be.

[hanes teulu]

I've been ploughing through Gore's Liverpool Directory 1853 - without success.

There's a section that lists all pubs/taverns - but this would not include/cover beerhouses. But I looked for a possible pub/tavern that  "fitted" the Census entry - nothing in the frame. Unfortunately, beerhouses they do not qualify for a section of their own. The "beerhouses" I found individually only referred to the licensee, not the name of the establishment. Note - I only checked a random sample!

[dragonlady403]

Thanks for taking the time to do that! 

It seems the "beer houses" were a much more informal and less regulated type of establishment than the usual public houses.  I did wonder if she was running a facility from her home which may have been a multi level boarding house type of thing.  But I don't know for sure. 

[stanmapstone]

The Beer House Act 1830 allowed a householder, of reputable character, assessed to the poor rate, to retail beer and cider from his own house on payment of an annual fee to the Excise of 2 guineas. This Act opened the floodgates to a spectacular proliferation of decidedly downmarket drinking-dens, most of them in the front rooms of terraced houses. The Act was repealed in 1869. These beer houses are not normally shown on maps.

Stan

[MonicaL]

Lots of people pub hunting on Derby Road 

See here www.bootlehistory.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=21894

In the second of the directories (for 1881 I think) there is a listing showing as:

East Side
15 Derby Road (seems the same number as the 15 Derby Road/ West Side?)
Mrs Mary Jane Cosier, beer retailer

[ShaunJ]

Monica - that's not 15 Derby Road, it's 15 Cyprus Road

[dragonlady403]

LOl Stanmapstone: I suspected it was likely something out of the front of the house rather than a properly licensed establishment. 

If, as things seem to be pending confirmation, her husband was incarcerated leaving her with several children in a city she didn't grow up in - she probably had minimal options so that type of establishment would likely have been a "lifesaver" for her.

Hi Monical:) Doing our own pub crawl??? Initially, I was looking for an established and listed pub (given the name was ? Arms).  However, based on a great deal of very exciting information previously provided here, I'm now more inclined to think it was just a private "bootlegger" type of residence and therefore, won't be in the more legitimate pub listings~!~

[dragonlady403]

Girl Guide... you were correct!!! 

I spent this afternoon trawling through the BNA for Liverpool for that period and found numerous pieces in the papers over about a 5 year period about Robert Morris and bankruptcies 9and a 1 year sentence he was given0.   

However, nothing really helped to confirm his identity - until I read the final one, which mentions he is from Cheshire:)

THANKS FOR YOUR HELP EVERYONE!!! That was a massive breakthrough for me in just 1 day.  Couldn't have done it without you all.