Birth - William Robertson

[paulmh]

Possible census entry for brother David in 1901:

David Robertson 34 shipwright b. Glasgow
Williamina Robertson 31 b. Aberdeen
Williamina Robertson 9 b. Dundee
Mary Robertson 3 b. Dundee
Alexander Robertson 1 b. Dundee

Address: 11 Glebe St, Dundee

Mother Mary Robertson, 61,  is living at 156 Ferry Rd, Dundee with two lodgers.

William remains a problem for these later censuses!

Monica

What we do know is that William went to Canada.

Assuming that he is the same one which also played football for Sheffield United (between 1889-1891), then in 1891 he may be in Sheffield - though there was a census found where he was named Roberts and married to Clara. If his death entry is correct then he never married. In 1901 he may possibly be in Canada - details as to when he moved there aren't quite certain. Ideally I'd like to find a passenger list but first want to clarify start and end dates so to speak first!

[MonicaL]

Don't worry. Your link to the FS death entry in Ontario is all you need to do 

If you note from my posts above, I am with you now. Very likely this could be the right William.

Monica

[MonicaL]

Like you, don't think the William Roberts and wife Clara in Sheffield 1891 are likely to connect to him. However, this was the only 'possible' so far wasn't it. We just haven't found anything so far for him in 1891, England or Scotland. He was in his 2nd season (?) that year with Sheffield United wasn't he? He should be England, but couldn't see him anywhere yesterday 

Monica

[paulmh]

Like you, don't think the William Roberts and wife Clara in Sheffield 1891 are likely to connect to him. However, this was the only 'possible' so far wasn't it. We just haven't found anything so far for him in 1891, England or Scotland. He was in his 2nd season (?) that year with Sheffield United wasn't he? He should be England, but couldn't see him anywhere yesterday 

Monica

Looking at my records, the last known first team game that he played in for Sheffield United was on 13th April 1891 The census by then had already took place on 5th April. There was a  game on the 4th April but Robertson didn't play. Previously he had played on the 1st of April. It had been common for people to return 'home' for the census - did he return home to either Dundee or Glasgow for this. As you said, other than Roberts there is very little trace of him in Sheffield, although that would seem to be the most likely location for him.

[paulmh]

I have also received an email from person I was contacted on Ancestry (regarding the other William which turned out to be the incorrect person). She has sent me links to information from FamilySearch.

William Robertson death record (Note the mention of Haileybury and brother David): https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-C9TF-Q93H-2?i=837&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AJ6FY-ZF8


I'm not sure if the following records are connected with the above William, but they look promising:

William Robertson birth record: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FQR8-42X

David Robertson birth record: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F79D-LM6

William Robertson marriage record: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9Q97-Y399-MQMX?i=234&cc=1784216&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AKZBW-1MJ

1901 Census:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KHLL-CYX

1911 Census: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:276T-HBR

Mary Emma Robertson Birth: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939J-DZS3-J2?i=465&cc=1784212&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AFM6Z-MS3

Myrtle Evelyn Robertson Birth: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939J-D8CL-4?i=792&cc=1784212&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AFM6L-ZQJ

[MonicaL]

You have further connected the dots back to Scotland with the 1899 marriage entry you found for William  Wonder why he showed as single on his death reg?

Monica

[MonicaL]

William's 1901 Canadian census entry gave 1895 as the year he arrived in Canada. I think I have found his entry on the shipping manifest of the 'St Louis' which arrived in New York from Southampton on 24 Jun 1895.

William gave his age as 29 and 10 months (not often you see months!). Fits very well with his birth date of 2 Aug 1865.

His occupation of joiner also fits with what he have. He stated that he was in transit to Toronto (I think it reads Toronto). The only thing that did not fit was that he shows as English rather than Scottish on the manifest.

Monica

PS: Have you come across this family tree here https://www.ancestry.co.uk/family-tree/person/tree/168006799/person/252182096847/facts

[paulmh]

You have further connected the dots back to Scotland with the 1899 marriage entry you found for William  Wonder why he showed as single on his death reg?

Monica

I wonder if for some reason they separated and they didn't take to the idea. In the 1911 census, she is listed as a widow, but William died a few months after.

[paulmh]

William's 1901 Canadian census entry gave 1895 as the year he arrived in Canada. I think I have found his entry on the shipping manifest of the 'St Louis' which arrived in New York from Southampton on 24 Jun 1895.

William gave his age as 29 and 10 months (not often you see months!). Fits very well with his birth date of 2 Aug 1865.

His occupation of joiner also fits with what he have. He stated that he was in transit to Toronto (I think it reads Toronto). The only thing that did not fit was that he shows as English rather than Scottish on the manifest.

Monica

PS: Have you come across this family tree here https://www.ancestry.co.uk/family-tree/person/tree/168006799/person/252182096847/facts

A shipping list would be fantastic, and I hope that this is indeed him. It's a bit odd that he sailed from Southampton or, was this the only route to USA/Canada. I would have thought you'd at least been able to sail from Scotland.

I have seen the FamilySearch tree but at the time didn't read too much into it. If I could find a connection with football then I think we've nailed it.