Nancy CARROLL

[MonicaL]

Possible birth entry for Nancy?

Annie CARROLL
1922
639/ 823
Dalziel

This will help confirming mother details as it may that when Nancy married, she may have given other names...

Have you confirmed Annie Wilson's birth? What were the names of her parents from her marriages or death regs?

Monica

[garlands]

Well done.

The bits of the jigsaw are slowly beginning to fit together. I've found the birth of an Annie CARROLL in 1922 in Dalziel but, of course, I can't access the certificate because of the 100-year rule. This must be Nancy KIRBY.

Whether-or-not she is the daughter of Bart and Annie CARROLL will depend, to some extent, on Annie's age. Bearing in mind that her age in 1901 is given as 32 she could be 5 years less than that recorded in 1911, making her 53 in 1922 and not 58. Whilst even 53 is a bit late, it is by no means impossible, so she could be Mary's natural sister.

[garlands]

Do you think the family returned from Australia? I only ask because it seems a bit strange for Mary to nominate someone living in Australia as one of her executors. For the remnants of Mary's estate to pass to Nancy's offspring seems natural, but an Australian executor?

[MonicaL]

From the Australian electoral rolls, Nancy and husband Gordon remained in Australia.

In 1954, they show in Fortitude Valley, Brisbane, Queensland

In 1977 and 1980, the show in New Lambton, Newcastle, New South Wales. Nancy's occupation is that of a secretary. Gordon remains an engineer.

The electoral rolls I am looking at only go up to 1980.

Monica

[MonicaL]

Very interesting. I have Annie BECK's death certificate, acquired to help me eliminate her in the hunt for Nancy, but where did Barclay CARROLL come from? Was he Bartholomew CARROLL's brother? He's certainly of the same vintage.

From Lodger's details, Barclay and Bartholomew are first name variants. See www.whatsinaname.net/male-names/Parthal%C3%A1n.html

Birth registration showing on the FS index as:

Barclay Carol
b. 2 Feb 1863 Bothwell, Lanarkshire
Parents Michael Carol and Mary Haly
www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FQYV-BJ2

At least two brothers for him, John 1856 www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FQYV-W45 and James in 1866 www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FQY2-Z9G

Mother certainly showing as Haly/Haley etc.

From 1881:

Michael Carroll 55 Labourer In Ironworks b. Lietrim Ireland
Mary Carroll 50 b. Sligo, Ireland
Michael Carroll 29 Puddler In Ironworks b. Chapelhall, Lanarkshire
John Carroll 22 Puddler In Ironworks b. Bellshill, Lanarkshire
Barclay Carroll 18 Puddler In Ironworks b. Bellshill, Lanarkshire
James Carroll 12 b. Bellshill, Lanarkshire

Address: Milnwood New Bothwell Lanark

The family were Roman Catholic it seems. Possible death for Mary in Holytown in 1883, aged 55. Spelling of surname is Carroll. Other entry on SP with a different spellling version for the same record.

1871 Census shows an elder son, Patrick born c 1850 in Ireland and Mary aged 9. Barclay is showing as Bartholomew (or Bertha in the transcription I am looking at  ).

The birth certs of Barclay and James will let you confirm date and place of parents' marriage.

Monica

[garlands]

Monica,

Absolutely fantastic. It's going to take a while to absorb all that information. Very many thanks

[garlands]

The 1881 has 3 CARROLL brothers all born in Bellshill. I can find none of them on SP. Also, no trace of Barclay/Bartholomew CARROLL anywhere (except for one in Dingwall)

[MonicaL]

Have you got access to Ancestry, garlands?

When I was looking around last night, I found a poor relief application online there for father and son Michael.

I couldn't see anything specific for Bartholomew, but for the other children you had:

Patrick married and living in America with his family.

Michael married (later appications for son show him widowed and in dire straits, needing support in years to come).

John married but not much more.

James, sadly, in a mental instituion for many years.

This application came after the death of wife in the late 1880s.

Monica

[Forfarian]

The 1881 has 3 CARROLL brothers all born in Bellshill. I can find none of them on SP. Also, no trace of Barclay/Bartholomew CARROLL anywhere (except for one in Dingwall)

Bellshill is in the parish of Bothwell. It only became a registration district in its own right in 1893.

The births of John Carrol (with only one 'l') and Barclay and James Carol (one 'r', one 'l') were registered in Bothwell in 1857, 1863 and 1866 respectively.