James Smith Alnwick 1891.b.Buckinghamshire 1827.

[Pennines]

There is a baptism for a James Smith 1829 - in Weston Turville - parents John and Sarah. Occupation Bailiff.

A John and Sarah also have a son John batised in 1824 - but in Halton, Buckinghamshire - occupation Steward to?

There are other children also.

To me those occupations look as though they may be the same John, working for a Land Owner or similar.

[Mabel Bagshawe]

Looks like the marriage may be on FindMyPast (I don't have a sub) Possibly listed as 1865 not 1868

[stevej60]

Hello Pennines and Mabel many thanks for the quick responses here's the original post on my Gt Grandfather,as you will see the Family is indeed the one mentioned in Pennines post,their father was
a bailif to the famous Dashwood family,I'd like to follow up James sons William and George as they
would be my Grandfather's cousins.
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=789090.msg6447249#msg6447249

[stevej60]

Another find due to your information,George V's middle name was Vincent which was my Grandfathers
middle name, his father John Smith's third son born in Gateshead 1865 was named Vincent he died
only a year or two later.

[Pennines]

Steve - thanks for responding. That's useful information you have provided,

I haven't done anything else on your query yet -- except to discover that Sarah, John the father's wife, MAY have been a widow when she married John - don't know for sure yet though, as I have left it to resume, hopefully, later tomorrow. It may not be the correct marriage and I am not familiar with Buckinghamshire - so don't know which townships are nearby!

I need to be more awake before picking it up again!!

[stevej60]

Many thank's Pennines,John the son b.1825 has his birthplace as Wendover and Worlds end
on various Census in 1841 he is in lodging's in Newcastle as a tailor's apprentice,he was a draper
for the rest of his life.

[Pennines]

Steve -- I have now looked at the link you provided for this family and see that you did have a lot of the information already.

I hadn't realised that initially, so we both have told you a lot of what you already knew.

John junior though, was born in 1824 in Halton and not 1825 -- and was baptised at Halton.

Sarah Ann Smith child of John senior and Sarah was also baptised at Halton in 1823 (she was buried there it seems on 1st August 1824 aged 18 months. (Another Sarah Ann was born on 28 Sep 1826 at Weston Turville - - buried 14 March 1838 at Weston Turville.

However I think you know all that already - and I am just correcting the actual birth year you are showing for John junior.

So James and his wife, Charlotte Fryer married Q/E March 1868 in Canterbury (Kent) Registration District. (They must have met whilst he was in the Army).

The couple had 3 children -- mother's maiden name Fryer in all cases - AND all born in Alnwick Registration District.

William born Q/E March 1871
John born Q/E Dec 1874 --- probably died Q/E June 1876 Alnwick Reg Dist - aged 1
George Vincent born Q/E June 1877

If you are now wanting to follow William and George Vincent -- they should be on all the census records from 1881 on both Ancestry - which your brother has access to - or the census records on Family Search.

In addition you should be able to find any marriage - and any children born to them. Just in case you don't know - once you know a wife's maiden name from a marriage record - you can find births of children to that couple, by using just the father's surname - the mother's maiden name - and searching for 5 years at a time - male and female separately -- on the GRO Index. (GRO is General Register Office).

It's a free site, but you need to register first;

https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/login.asp

then go to;  Search the GRO on line index.

In case you don't know George Vincent Smith is included on the Probate Register on Ancestry -- this states he died 4 January 1964 with effects of £2,349.00 with probate granted to Thomas Henry Defty Horne, Bank Manager.

[stevej60]

Many thanks for all the information pennines much appreciated.

[Mabel Bagshawe]

Another child

SMITH, JAMES   
mmn     FRYER     
Q1 1869 ALNWICK  Volume 10B  Page 338

Possible death
SMITH, JAMES
Age       1 
Q3 1870 ALNWICK  Volume 10B  Page 217