UK request for help - Charles MYERS

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He fought with the 43rd at Gate Pa and Te Ranga (April 1864), see link. This website records that he was discharged on 24 March 1869.

http://tauranga.kete.net.nz/documents/0000/0000/0387/Participants_at_Gate_Pa_and_Te_Ranga_1864.pdf

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There is this 1864 Army Correspondence entry. The reference to providing a substitute shows that both men elected to pay a man to take their place in the ranks, but this is puzzling because as far as I was aware this was only possible in colonial Militia or Volunteer units, not the British Army. Does it refer to another individual?

Archives New Zealand Register Room: 1864 Deputy Adjutant General [Army] Inwards Correspondence Register Reference AD 51/2 -
http://www.nzpictures.co.nz/dag1864.pdf

1864/2023 Jul 23 Privates MYERS & Green have provided substitutes (Major St John, Rhode’s Clearing)

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[minniehaha]

There was another Charles Myers on the scene around that time....

1860/8384   Myers   Joseph   Rachael   Charles
1862/9770   Myers   Sarah Elizabeth   Rachael   Charles
1864/10955   Myers   Elizabeth Sarah   Rachael   Charles


Minniehaha.

[mckha489]

And this death

1869/2943   Myers   Charles   36Y

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1899, Mrs Myers at Ohaupo

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/WAIGUS18990615.2.40.6?end_date=31-12-1900&items_per_page=100&query=Myers+ohaupo&snippet=true&start_date=01-01-1839

[Fresh Fields]

Hi all.

Stuff is running with the request, and I saw it in the Waikato Times. From the quarter hour I spent over a cuppa having a look, I believe I found evidence of at least two Charles Myers, so sent off an email to the UK, to an address I found on line. However cold calling with my research email, is sometimes treated as SPAM, so uncertain if I will get a reply for more info, as aluded to in the article.

Thanks NZ forum for spending some time on it. What irks me is I have read an account some what along those lines, but can not remember if it was in South Auckland research or Waikato research of those times. Hopefully it will come back to me.

Alan.

[AMBLY]

Working from forward backwards........

The article writer's grandmother:
Elizabeth MYERS, eldest daughter of Mr & Mrs L Myers, 15 Mary Street, St Kilda
married 24 Feb 1917 at the  Bourke Street Synagogue in St Kilda (Vic, AU) to Joseph Abraham BRITTON, Elizabeth's sisters were bridesmaids, Ella & Marie.  The couple had been engaged since 1914. (Src: Trove)

Return to England....
In 1920 Elizabeth (23) and Joseph A Britton (27) Com. Traveller returned to England from Australia along with their 15mth old daughter Esther. Ship Berrima, arrived London 4 Feb 1920.  Later that year they had another daughter born, who was to become the mother of the writer
Src: Passenger List, Register Surname, Death index'

Elizabeth died 1988 Barnet (London) with recorded D0B as 20 Aug 1895.  In 1939, "Betty" gave her YoB as 1897, but same day & month.

Elizabeth's parents at the same address she married from, from Electoral Rolls:
St Kilda, Victoria, at 15 Mary Street:
Louis Myers, Optician
Rebecca Myers

Marriage of Elizabeth's parents...
Louis Myers, son of Charles Myers
married Rebecca Saunders, daughter of Louis Saunders
On 1 July 1891, Adelaide, South Australia
Src: Marriage index

Newspaper report The Advertiser, Adelaide, Monday 6th July 1891
MYERS-SAUNDERS
On the 1st July at the residence of the bride's parents, by the reverend A T Boas, Louis, second son of Mr C Myers of Adelaide   to Rebecca, eldest daughter of Mr L Saunders of Adelaide.
(Src: Trove)

There is a tree on Ancestry, which amongst much more, says - and refer Passenger List link:

Charles' wife Ellen and children arrive in NZ on 3 Jan 1866 on the 'Mataoka' (departed London 23 Sep 1865):
http://freepages.rootsweb.com/~babznz/genealogy/matoaka.html
MYERS Elizabeth
MYERS Ellen
MYERS Henry
MYERS Louis

It also has a variety of other 'facts' - including that
Charles died in Australia, Adelaide July 1920
Charles was in the 43rd Reg
Charles was born in Spitalfields 1837 (not 1827)
Louis and Rebecca both died in England.

I stand to be corrected, but  think there is a bit of mixing up, incl on that tree.......between different Charles Myers' and Louis/Rebecca...

However, what does seem to be proved  is that in 1891 Charles Myers - the writer's 2xGreat-Grandfather - is firmly placed in Adelaide.

Cheers
AMBLY

[AMBLY]

Charles' wife Ellen died in 1908 - he was widowed by her:

On 8th November 1908, at St Kilda, Victoria, Ellen, the beloved wife of Charles Myers, and mother of Henry, Louis, Samuel and Jack Myers. No Flowers.

On 8th November 1908, at her residence, Beaconsfield Parade, Melbourne, Helen wife of Charles Myers, and dearly beloved mother of Henry, Louis, Samuel and John Myers.

Src: Trove

Cheers
AMBLY

[AMBLY]

Here is Charles' wife Cemetery listing....
    
Melbourne General Cemetery  Carlton North Melbourne
Ellen Myers, died 10 Nov 1908 (aged 71-72), born abt 1836)
Plot: MGC-JEW-Comp-G-No-824
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/200181842

And buried in the same plot, is Charles 1923:
MGC-JEW-Comp-G-No-824
Charles Myers, died 23 Nov 1923 (aged 76-77 yrs, born abt 1846)
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/192596941/charles-myers

Newspaper report:
On the 22nd November at his residence, Racecourse Road, Flemington, Melbourne, Charles Myers, aged 78 years.   Src: Trove, Chronicle, 1 Dec 1923

Charles funeral was on 23rd November to which his friends were invited to attend at 3pm that day, by following his remains from his residence 136 Racecourse Road to the Melbourne General Cemetery . The undertaker was HENRY J R LEWIS, Head Office Johnson Street, Fitzroy, Northcote

It may be that the article writer is well aware of all this - and is only after the NZ Army side of things. However,  the disagreement in ages - born 1827? 1837? 1846? and in birthplaces - Spitalfields?  St Ellens, Jersey? makes it important we know it also

Cheers,
AMBLY