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Re: Montford Family Loughconnelly area
« Reply #9 on: Saturday 25 April 20 03:08 BST (UK) »
Hello is there someone who can explain what "BBB 1813" means from the above post?
"existing family links  from your resposes John Montford bbb 1813 d could be plot;A/#/569  m 1829 Grace Ritchie bbb 1813 d"

Also for the two in Loughconoly, could they be the same person or different, such as father and son?  I am unfamiliar with how the tithe's books would work?
Munfoad, John Townland: Loughconoly Year: 1825
Munfoad, John Townland: Loughloughan Year: 1825
Munford, John Townland: Loughconoly Year: 1825

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Gibson, Montford, Crawford, Ritchie, Bradley, County Antrim area

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Re: Montford Family Loughconnelly area
« Reply #10 on: Saturday 25 April 20 10:16 BST (UK) »
my apologies for not explaining it, bbb is shorthand for birthbestbefore and is a way of forming generations with unknown facts.  Where I have used bbb I am taking 15/16 off the birthdate of a child,and in your case a marriage to find what decade in that century, I should be looking for ancestors going backwards..

the tithes are full of questions and the best  explanation for you is to look up an original
Montford entry in the 26 counties version via nationalarchives
http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/search/tab/index.jsp the montfordhave which has a copy of the original attached unlike NI which is a simple name index done by the Irish Genealogy hub, not by PRONI staff 
the index opens with two entries for Archibald Montford the first entry is
http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/reels/tab//004587398/004587398_00128.pdf which shows an entry No 414 for Archibald Montford as townland owner
and then the 2nd entry is
http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/reels/tab//004587398/004587398_00137.pdf  which shows which shows the same entry No 414 for Archibald Montford as townland owner
I think this shows the index has been done from the microfilm records by possibly two different indexers  but it’s the same entry,and same person

I tried another with two entries for a henry montford which has two entries but this time separate townlands in Killashee   Longford   1835
http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/reels/tab//004625671/004625671_00232.pdf shows henry montford has 20 acres of deep soil and 23 of moor pasture in total taxable value £2 6 shillingsetc in Ballycore
the 2nd entry is for a different townland but with same microfilm reel number there is no way of telling if it is the same henry mountford he has a plantation this time.

all this suggests the Northern Ireland files have been produced not from the originals but from the microfilms.  I use the tithes for 1. their location value in finding further possible information under local history rather than family history.2 the other same names in the townland or parish who might be relatives. THE PRONI Belfast is currently producing a digital version on the tithes which will help those who cant travel enormously

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Munfoad, John Townland: Loughconoly Year: 1825
Munfoad, John Townland: Loughloughan Year: 1825
Munford, John Townland: Loughconoly Year: 1825

I separate them into separate townlands
Munfoad, John Townland: Loughconoly Year: 1825
Munford, John Townland: Loughconoly Year: 1825
Munfoad, John Townland: Loughloughan Year: 1825
my guess is in Loughconoly and some time during his visithe has discovered its spelt another way so its probably the same person

so better than nothing the tithes were collected not for the government but for the church of ireland and then collected by the government for the church. Somebody has probably written a book about it.
good luck
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Re: Montford Family Loughconnelly area
« Reply #11 on: Sunday 26 April 20 20:39 BST (UK) »
Thank you very much for the explanation and all your help
Gibson, Montford, Crawford, Ritchie, Bradley, County Antrim area

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Re: Montford Family Loughconnelly area
« Reply #12 on: Sunday 26 April 20 21:07 BST (UK) »
Thought I would share this page, it gives instructions on how to access the actual Northern Ireland Title books on Proni.   If you follow the information on the bottom paragraph for the images
  https://timeline.ie/tithe-applotment-books-online/
Gibson, Montford, Crawford, Ritchie, Bradley, County Antrim area


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Re: Montford Family Loughconnelly area
« Reply #13 on: Monday 27 April 20 10:17 BST (UK) »
Thank you Kel28 for that unexpected link, it worked for me, i was able to find the 1st page of islandmagee parish as an experiment. its great news, especially for myself,
i knew PRONI were starting to a digital version in the background. however i wasnt able to search by last name, did you find anyway around this? i have my own index to NI Tabs useing the names listed by the Irish Genealogy Hub by parish, if you want a copy its over 30mbs in size i can send it in smaller packages in pdf format or word.its too big for PM, so i shall send you a Pm with my email address.
I offered it to the Hub free of any strings but got no replies and gave up. i will send a copy to the PRONI in next few days.and the writer of that link.
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Re: Montford Family Loughconnelly area
« Reply #14 on: Tuesday 28 April 20 18:23 BST (UK) »
hello again i sent information to PRONI and of course they are closed so got a robotic response. Within ten minutes the phone rand and a Jane a PRONI staff member doing work form home replied. She had been happily surprised by my work.  I have already sent her a simplified version without pages its 2mbts in size  . The tithes are just now worked upon currently by home workers to make much more of them available to the public on line in due time,  so my work might be useful for them. you triggered me into action which i should have done 4 years ago so many thanks for doing so.
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Re: Montford Family Loughconnelly area
« Reply #15 on: Friday 08 May 20 23:27 BST (UK) »
That's fabulous news.   I happened upon the instructions on another site, I haven't really played around too much with searching PRONI that way, but now that I have a little bit of knowledge into what else is out there, I may try again to do more searching at a later date.   I am very happy that I was able to help others.   Again, thank you so much!
Gibson, Montford, Crawford, Ritchie, Bradley, County Antrim area

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Re: Montford Family Loughconnelly area
« Reply #16 on: Saturday 16 April 22 00:06 BST (UK) »
Hello, I am looking for information on the John Montford family line of the Loughconnelly area in County Antrim.   John was married to Grace Ritchie, he died in 1858 and I am looking for ancestors of for John and Grace.     

Hi!
I am actually part of this Montford family line in Northern Ireland. Not sure if you'll see this, but I would be willing to get in touch. My grandad was George Montford. His parents were Joseph Montford and Annie Harrison. John and Grace Montford were my great, great, great grandparents.
I've been to the cemetary and walked around a few of the faded grave stones.

If you're still interested in looking into this I would be willing to hear back from you!

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Re: Montford Family Loughconnelly area
« Reply #17 on: Sunday 17 April 22 10:48 BST (UK) »

Welcome to RootsChat  :)


My grandad was George Montford. His parents were Joseph Montford and Annie Harrison.


The OP (kel28) hasn't been on RootsChat since June 2020 but if their email hasn't changed, they will get notification of your post and will hopefully respond to you.

So that others can see the marriage record, here's the link presumably to your gt grandparents in 1921.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1921/09238/5343410.pdf

Joseph Montford in 1911 census
House 16 in Carnkeeran (Broughshane, Antrim).
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Broughshane/Carnkeeran/119368/

Carnkeeran townland
https://www.townlands.ie/antrim/antrim-lower/skerry/broughshane/carnkeeran/

Annie Harrison in 1911 census
House 4 in Crebilly (Ballyclug, Antrim)
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Ballyclug/Crebilly/122361/

Crebilly townland
https://www.townlands.ie/antrim/antrim-lower/ballyclug/ballyclug/crebilly/
Ballykeel (where she was living when she married) to the west.


Researching: Cuthbertson – Co. Derry, Scotland & Australia; Hunter – Co. Derry; Jackson – Co. Derry, Scotland & Canada; Scott – Co. Derry; Neilly – Co. Antrim & USA; McCurdy – Co. Antrim; Nixon – Co. Cavan, Co. Donegal, Canada & USA; Ryan & Noble – Co. Sligo